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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5907130" data-attributes="member: 29398">[MENTION=3192]howandwhy99[/MENTION] makes some excellent points in post 40.I'll just add: we've used minis on a map since 1981 but have never used a formal grid system a la 4e, and probably never will.  The minis show who is where in various situations (marching, camping, exploring a room, etc.) and I can quickly eyeball it to see - for example - who's in the fireball's area of effect. And if I need more precise measurements, well, that's what string is for...As for grid-based effects like knockback, why does the distance moved always have to be a multiple of 5'?  Why can't I say instead "if I hit I'll try to push him back a few feet; just far enough so the Thief can sneak past behind me, then I'll hold the corner", whether using a grid or not?I've also never bought into the idea that each person takes up exactly one 5x5' square area.  In 1e three Human-size creatures can fight side by side in a 10' passage if they squish a bit, and if one is Hobbit-size there's no problem at all.Lan-"I cannot begin to imagine playing something as tactical as 4e without a grid"-efan</blockquote>