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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5181833" data-attributes="member: 2205">Yeah, sorry... that came out a bit harsher than I meant it.I meant D&D rules (with a few house rules) and a CoC paradigm very specifically.  I know that WFRP is D&D+CoC in very vague general terms but that's not specifically what I'm looking for.  I wouldn't "do better" with WFRP because there are some very specific reasons why I want to use D&D, or at least a d20 ruleset that's compatible with D&D (I thought about doing it with d20 Modern + d20 Past with the same houserules, but that started to feel like more work on houseruling than I really wanted to to.)Earthdawn is a quirky little game, but like WFRP, it's not what I want because it's fundamentally a game built around a setting.  I don't need a setting.  I specifically don't want a setting, in fact.  I want mechanics that feel divorced from a setting so I can go my own way with the setting.Also, not that I've played it really, but I've been familiar with Earthdawn for a long time.  I've never really heard anyone characterize it as a horror or dark fantasy game.  It's a quirky little weird tales game, with elements of sci-fi here and there, post-apocalyptic... I mean, you can give it a horror-like vibe, just like you can any other game, I suppose, but it doesn't naturally support that any more than D&D was.Based on what I remember of it and have heard of it, that is.</blockquote>