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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8401911" data-attributes="member: 71699">1. As we make choices and roll dice, we discover more about how things are. The fighter aimed not to waffle, but he really did roll lower initiative. Of the possible worlds he might have found himself in, he turned out to be in one in which the orcs were faster.2. No one at the table knew which world the fighter would be in, prior to that d20 hitting the table, but they could have known which worlds were possible. They could have used class features like Mantle of Inspiration or Maneuvering Attack. Using those features might have been justified upon considering more about the game state.3. Games as mechanisms yield phase spaces. We can feel vexed that our fighter in that square located so very close to the door couldn't make it there before the orcs, but the phase space included other dimensions. They play a part in our narrative, too.I'm not sure if that is clear! In a way, our complaint is that initiative shouldn't trump grid, and we are vexed because initiative does sometimes trump grid. If we said that our picture of the world includes both grid (precise, definite) and initiative (uncertain), then we may be open to any fiction that emerges. As I think you alluded to, we might have to gloss over some rough edges, but our brain does that for us all the time. It's part of why suspension of disbelief is so important. A viable way to solve [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER]'s problem may be simply to adjust our expectations so that we don't feel jarred out of SoD by initiative telling us something different, than grid alone.</blockquote>

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