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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8405276" data-attributes="member: 23751">My position is in-between the two of them.&nbsp; Combat is not fictionless, because there is some fiction that does happen before the decisions are made and some decisions will be made in response to fiction and not mechanics.&nbsp; Let's take a combat where 3 orcs enter a room with 1 fighter already inside.&nbsp; The orcs have entered the room(fiction), presumably along with a description of the three orcs(fiction) and their reaction to seeing the fighter(fiction).&nbsp; Initiative gets rolled(mechanic).&nbsp; The orcs win and move in for the kill(fiction and mechanics).&nbsp; One of the orcs insults the mother of the fighter(fiction).&nbsp; The fighter get angry with that orc and the player tells the DM he is going to attack that orc on his turn for it's temerity(fiction).&nbsp; The fighter's turn comes up and he shouts, &quot;You're going to pay for that insult with your life!&quot;(fiction).&nbsp; He then attacks the orc that insulted him(mechanic in response to the fiction).Combat is not fictionless, but it is broken fiction in that the mechanics allow for situations that just could not and would not occur in any sort of even semi-realistic combat.&nbsp; Those mechanics establish fiction that is essentially impossible along side the fiction that is not impossible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8405276, member: 23751"] My position is in-between the two of them. Combat is not fictionless, because there is some fiction that does happen before the decisions are made and some decisions will be made in response to fiction and not mechanics. Let's take a combat where 3 orcs enter a room with 1 fighter already inside. The orcs have entered the room(fiction), presumably along with a description of the three orcs(fiction) and their reaction to seeing the fighter(fiction). Initiative gets rolled(mechanic). The orcs win and move in for the kill(fiction and mechanics). One of the orcs insults the mother of the fighter(fiction). The fighter get angry with that orc and the player tells the DM he is going to attack that orc on his turn for it's temerity(fiction). The fighter's turn comes up and he shouts, "You're going to pay for that insult with your life!"(fiction). He then attacks the orc that insulted him(mechanic in response to the fiction). Combat is not fictionless, but it is broken fiction in that the mechanics allow for situations that just could not and would not occur in any sort of even semi-realistic combat. Those mechanics establish fiction that is essentially impossible along side the fiction that is not impossible. [/QUOTE]

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