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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8411225" data-attributes="member: 7032025">At least I'm not promoting an edition which, in your own words, REMOVES some play styles from the game.So no, I'm only interested in this thread, based on the premise that the more technical the game, the harder for it to be narrative and related to fiction.Again, if you disagree with the premise above, feel free to discuss it, but as you seem to be only interested in edition warring...It's one way to see openness, but the one that I've been describing has little to do with this, it's the one that is used by the 5e designers when speaking about 4e: "An alternative would be for the rules to severely limit what characters can do, which would be counter to the open-endedness of D&D."See above, the premises are simple:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Technical gaming based on the possibilities offered by rules limits the narrative freedom and the possibility to describe fiction.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">4e is not only extremely technical, but it also severly limits what the characters can do (and in addition, your own words, it "removes" some styles of play).</li> </ul>The conclusion is obvious.You have zero proof of this. The contrary is obvious to anyone who actually looks at both game systems and realises, for example, that 4e is restricted to being played on a grid, where powers are restricted to being used on that grid and how purely technical the powers are.And here you go. How can 4e be more open when some ways of playing(and usual ones at that) are REMOVED ?Again, there is zero proof of this. HOW does it enable a stronger narrative approach than other editions of D&D ? By paraphrasing the inane descriptions of fixed powers that do not even reflect what they do in the simulation ? Come on...Or maybe it is through SKill Challenges that remove creativity and roleplaying, forcing it into a carcan of successes and failures and promoting roll playing for the success of skills ?You are the one edition warring here, my friend, and promoting 4e, when I'm not making any judgment of quality. I am merely stating the obvious that you yourself recognise, that 4e removes (I was not as strong, for me it's only "discourages") some styles of playing, and in particular the more free form and therefore narrative ones, and in particular in combat, because 4e combat is only pushing figurines on a grid and counting squares, leaving very little place for fiction.</blockquote>

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