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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8418938" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Well, at least, instead of sitting purely in theory space, I apply the principles and show the difference.No, because the orcs did not hit for 8 hp. The damage is only rolled after the attack is confirmed as being a hit. If it's not complete, the description cannot be made.Well, good for you if you believe this, but I am pretty sure that if I say to one of your players "actually, you only thought you were over here, but actually you were over there where the tarrasque eats you", there will be complaints about player agency. All the more, I might add, in a technical game like 4e where people take their positioning very seriously.Also, it does not happen in fiction.And if they don't get that rest, why would they have actually recovered any long lasting stamina/luck/divine/favor from someone who just inspired them to win an encounter a few hours ago ? Usually, that lifting of spirit, once again in literature, is really short lived.And this is the only thing that has been demonstrated here. You do not argue from a fiction and narrative perspective, just from the fact that the Holy book of the rules tells you something. But reality and examples in fiction tell you differently.Nothing has been demonstrated here apart from the fact that you are not thinking in terms of fiction, but only in terms of (4e) rules.</blockquote>