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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dice4Hire" data-source="post: 5481242" data-attributes="member: 55066">I think this is really impossible to judge. The rules have changed, and there are so many variables that it is nigh impossible. The only way to do it even a little is to reduce variables as much as possible. But it it were to be done, this is how I would do it.Go with Rogue/Fighter/Cleric/MU and try them out with the same stat array, say 18.16.14.14.12.10 The fighter has a longsword, chain, and a shield.The rogue has leather, and a daggerThe cleric has a mace and all spells are healing.The mage has the most iconic spells of each level. (!st is sleep and MM, for example)Every opponent rolls a 15 on attacks, and 75% on the damage dice.And even this is gonna leave a ton of variables.But that is scientific.In practice, until 4E, virtually all characters could be taken down by a single hit from an orc.  One hit equals death. Even for wizards, that is very unlikely or impossible in 4E.That is a huge change. Hitting the enemy is not so different, I do not think, nor damaging them, but again in 4E, orcs are not going down in one shot (at least not often)If you count swinginess, 4E has a lot less of it. In BECMI to 3.5, one lost initiative and one crit later, and any character, even a fighter, is dying on the ground or stone dead.</blockquote>