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<blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5511471" data-attributes="member: 57948">At low to mid-levels, yes the fighter turn is fast as hell (&quot;i power attack -roll -damage). At higher levels, no, it doesnt. Becouse that same fighter would be flying, hasted, using blink and self &quot;casting&quot; buffs through items, potions and the like. He was very much &quot;needed&quot; to, or would be otherwise unable to touch enemy casters that fly, are ethereal, or use force-cage/mirror/reverse gravity/whatever other no-save-AND-suck spell on them. Not to mention the horror stories about Paladins with Dispel-at-will Holy Swords....One of the reasons 4e fights last long, too, it's becouse everybody is in the fight until end of combat. In 3e, frecuently one or two of the players did not play for the entire combat (&quot;ok, bad guy wins initiative. Cast hold person on Bob. Please bob, go and buy a few pizzas for us, could you? We'll finish in half an hour or so&quot;). That, however, is a questionable&nbsp; way of speeding things up. At the very least, for Bob...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="triqui, post: 5511471, member: 57948"] At low to mid-levels, yes the fighter turn is fast as hell ("i power attack -roll -damage). At higher levels, no, it doesnt. Becouse that same fighter would be flying, hasted, using blink and self "casting" buffs through items, potions and the like. He was very much "needed" to, or would be otherwise unable to touch enemy casters that fly, are ethereal, or use force-cage/mirror/reverse gravity/whatever other no-save-AND-suck spell on them. Not to mention the horror stories about Paladins with Dispel-at-will Holy Swords.... One of the reasons 4e fights last long, too, it's becouse everybody is in the fight until end of combat. In 3e, frecuently one or two of the players did not play for the entire combat ("ok, bad guy wins initiative. Cast hold person on Bob. Please bob, go and buy a few pizzas for us, could you? We'll finish in half an hour or so"). That, however, is a questionable way of speeding things up. At the very least, for Bob... [/QUOTE]

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