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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 5331237" data-attributes="member: 51930">I couldn't disagree more.  What are you talking about?  A rules set has nothing to do with the subject matter you're using it to depict.  RPGs *already* have what you're referring to as "Conan" adventures.  And, if you want easy D&D vs. adult D&D, we already have them:  4e = kids, Pathfinder = adults.  There, problem solved.     As for kick in the door: did you buy Dungeon Delves?  Amazing dungeons, each back tot he old kick in the door style of play.  4e is all about ignoring plot in preference of treasure items and combat.  I didn't get into RPGs except for the larger plot reasons.  I wanted to be in Lord of the Rings.  I was annoyed that the modules were so random and dungeony; I expected better traps than mere combat.  I was in grade 9.Same reason I stopped reading X-Men in grade 4, after Claremont left: comics became pointless, and every issue mandated a fight (for no reason!).  I needed more depth and plot.  Did I mention having been in grade 4?However, the reason I'm here is to correct you on a very important point:  Conan.Conan, as written by Howard, is a highly moral character.  He has a strong code of honor, and while his professions are often self-interested, he responds to moral dilemmas correctly whenever they present themselves.You mention the Tower of the Elephant, where Conan just wanted to go in and rob the wizard of his gems.  Sure.  However, when he got there he abandoned all the treasure in preference to helping Yag-Kosha/Yogah in gaining his freedom and slaying Yara.  It was all destroyed when the tower fell.  Sure, he's been robbing Zamorians, but let's face it: the whole nation is a pack of thieves descended from demons; they're an evil group of folks, and in these stories stealing and killing are right if they're done to the right people.In the Red Citadel, Conan is motivated to rescue his kingdom; not for the glory he originally wanted, but because of the harm that would come to his subjects.In the God in the Bowl, Conan refuses to name the noble who hired him to rob the temple, even though it means torture and death: he must keep his honor.  He kills his patron only after being betrayed.Even in The Frost Giant's Daughter, when he chases the title character, her whole plan was to lure him to her frost giant brothers so they could sacrifice his heart to Ymir, their father.  This is about the worst Conan ends up getting, I believe.EDIT:  Also, magic items weren't a source of power: they were created by Lovecraftian horrors from the great beyond!  Sure, some items may have been fine, but they weren't "treasure" per se. [/EDIT]While you could have a point regarding the movies or the work of other authors (Robert Jordan, I'm looking at you!), the original stories paint an entirely different picture of a moral character.Please be kind.  Conan predates Lord of the Rings, is written by Howard in beautiful flowing prose, and you wouldn't have RPGs if he wasn't there.  In fact, heroic fantasy in general would not exist the way they do without Howard or Conan (or Kull, or Am-ra, etc.).</blockquote>

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