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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8268868" data-attributes="member: 6785785">I think it varies by edition and by what you want to try and do. I mean, prior to later AD&D/2E characters didn't even have skills, with the exception of the thief. So the lack of rules in earlier editions may be seen as an opportunity for some hacking. But considering how interwoven a lot of the components of early D&D were, and how their removal in the 2E era left the game a bit rudderless and forced the GM to really take a strong hand, I don’t know how easily hacked the early stuff really is. It all exists in a kind of homeostasis that is easily disrupted.I would say that the same would apply to 5E. Yes, you can bolt things on to the chassis, but very often that will throw other things out of whack. And then there’s the fact that D&D mechanics are about 75% to 90% focused on combat. That promotes fighting as the solution to problems.If you wanted D&D to do heists well, you’d need more than just Stealth and Deception skills. Class abilities that are designed with this in mind, spells that are more focused on it, feats, magic items, etc. Yes some that exist would be fine, but there would need to be more. Think of the D&D combat system. All the game components related to combat. Now, picture an equivalent heist system. That’s what would be needed.Now, is this needed in most D&D games? No. You can do occasionally heisty type things with what’s there, or by adding a bit. But if you were going to run a Thieves Guild campaign where the game would revolve not around killing monsters, but around stealing stuff and similar jobs, then it would require a lot of work.So much so that a recommendation of “maybe you should play Blades in the Dark or Dusk City Outlaws” is a very valid recommendation.</blockquote>

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