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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8270729" data-attributes="member: 16814">Yes, it's clear that you're missing my point rather badly, because you keep coming back with arguments that aren't even wrong -- they're just completely off target.There is nowhere in 5e that tells me how to bribe a guard -- not as a GM, not as a player.&nbsp; The game, quite literally and very intentionally, says that the GM will make it up.&nbsp; There's some skill checks the GM could use, or the GM could just make up their minds however.&nbsp; The results can be whatever the GM wants them to be -- even removing a success at a later time because the GM changes their mind (the &quot;bribed&quot; guard isn't bribed anymore example).&nbsp; Everything in how a guard is bribed in D&amp;D is entirely up to the GM to first imagine and then operationalize.&nbsp; What you keep mistaking for support, or rules, is that the GM can choose to use the ability check system, but this isn't even optional, it's dependent on the GM deciding. The core mechanic, and only one that matters outside of combat (and even there it intrudes) is GM Decides.I'm not sure why this is controversial, or that some feel the need to decry this -- it's the biggest strength of 5e as I see it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8270729, member: 16814"] Yes, it's clear that you're missing my point rather badly, because you keep coming back with arguments that aren't even wrong -- they're just completely off target. There is nowhere in 5e that tells me how to bribe a guard -- not as a GM, not as a player. The game, quite literally and very intentionally, says that the GM will make it up. There's some skill checks the GM could use, or the GM could just make up their minds however. The results can be whatever the GM wants them to be -- even removing a success at a later time because the GM changes their mind (the "bribed" guard isn't bribed anymore example). Everything in how a guard is bribed in D&D is entirely up to the GM to first imagine and then operationalize. What you keep mistaking for support, or rules, is that the GM can choose to use the ability check system, but this isn't even optional, it's dependent on the GM deciding. The core mechanic, and only one that matters outside of combat (and even there it intrudes) is GM Decides. I'm not sure why this is controversial, or that some feel the need to decry this -- it's the biggest strength of 5e as I see it. [/QUOTE]

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