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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8271171" data-attributes="member: 18">This isn't actually true, and it's easy to demonstrate.The first part is - you can't say "I roll Intimidate" or whatever, you have to describe your action. But that's the same as PtbA games, including Dungeon World for example. You state the fiction and the DM tells you what to roll, if anything. I was under the impression BitD used the same approach. So there's essentially no distinction between the games there.The second part is abjectly false. We've discussed this at length in other threads. Spells and special abilities absolutely allow the player to "tell the DM" stuff. This is one of the great issues with D&D - some characters can tell the DM what's happening, others have to ask. However your statement is demonstrably wrong. And again, with PtbA games, like BitD, it's basically the same scenario, except all characters have access to at least some "tell the DM" abilities (which is true in most modern games).This on the other hand is true and definitely a better approach.Strawmen, really bro?My point is very simple - if you can write adventures for Cyberpunk 2020, Shadowrun, and a just really a bunch of other games, which are all essentially "heists", and have a similar "lack of support" for heist to D&D (in that they have no explicit support for "cinematic" heists), why is hard to do this for D&D? Can you answer that or is it only going to be weakass strawmen?All this "Oberoni Fallacy" stuff is pretty funny because what you're essentially saying is that only a handful of narrative-focused systems can possibly run a heist, and with any other game, including ones where people have routinely been running heists for 30+ years now, like Shadowrun, it's entirely down to whether you have a "good DM". I think it's pretty fair to suggest you may be severely overstating the issue.I mean, really, your position is just as much "Shadowrun doesn't support heists" and "Cyberpunk doesn't support heists" as it is with D&D.</blockquote>

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