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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8272539" data-attributes="member: 7026617">I don't think every bespoke RPG is "indie" in any real sense (I wouldn't class most of the Gumshoe games as "indie" in any real way), but I do absolutely think you see more among some modern designs than you did for many years.  I also don't think, despite some posters' dislike for more focused games that its in any way an insult to them; there have always been people who, to one degree or another, are resistant to games having any sort of constraints on them beyond what the players bring (I've had people outright say that if the players can't do absolutely anything they want with their characters and still stay in the campaign, its not an RPG.  Someone in this thread said something pretty close to that at one point).But I don't think its any virtue to act like there's no difference in focus level between most trad games and, say, Monsterhearts, and acknowledging that seems in no way an insult to the latter. As I've said before, a Swiss army knife is not a better tool than a laminate miter cutter just because you can do more things with it; the latter does its job far better than anything anything you'd do with the former. There are people who don't find it so, and others who just don't want to acknowledge it might be so, but that's on them, not the more specialized system or acknowledging they exist.This, on the other hand, I agree about.  It doesn't help that its often connected to people who will, in fact, sometimes suggest it to people for whom it manifestly will not serve their purposes (years ago when Fate was really first becoming a thing, I referred to it as "Apparently its both a desert topping and a floor wax".)</blockquote>

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