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<blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 8273856" data-attributes="member: 58416">I agree with your comments on pass/fail here. It's why I like the concepts of 'margin of success' in GURPS and a lot of how FFG Star Wars does checks. Also, similar thinking is what lead to doing skill challenges differently in the pervious edition of D&amp;D.I would also add that failure can help write a story just as much as success can. Sometimes, even in official WoTC published stuff, the assumption seems to be that the only way forward is for the PCs to succeed at a given task. But what happens if they don't? I thought the end of Tyranny of Dragons did a good job of this by explaining that evil dragons conquer the world if the PCs fail, but the next part of the campaign can be the PCs leading a resistance movement. In my head, I picture that either as something like Terminator, but with Skynet and robots being replaced by Tiamat, dragons, and their servants. Alternatively, it might look like a reverse Stargate (or the various multiverse stories in Marvel or DC,) with the PCs seeking out an alternate prime from which to bring back help.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Argyle King, post: 8273856, member: 58416"] I agree with your comments on pass/fail here. It's why I like the concepts of 'margin of success' in GURPS and a lot of how FFG Star Wars does checks. Also, similar thinking is what lead to doing skill challenges differently in the pervious edition of D&D. I would also add that failure can help write a story just as much as success can. Sometimes, even in official WoTC published stuff, the assumption seems to be that the only way forward is for the PCs to succeed at a given task. But what happens if they don't? I thought the end of Tyranny of Dragons did a good job of this by explaining that evil dragons conquer the world if the PCs fail, but the next part of the campaign can be the PCs leading a resistance movement. In my head, I picture that either as something like Terminator, but with Skynet and robots being replaced by Tiamat, dragons, and their servants. Alternatively, it might look like a reverse Stargate (or the various multiverse stories in Marvel or DC,) with the PCs seeking out an alternate prime from which to bring back help. [/QUOTE]

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