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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8273916" data-attributes="member: 93670">problem with that dc10 is that they also got rid of <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/post-8241363" target="_blank">bonus types & GM's best friend</a> from past editions so a dc10 tree is not always dc10.   <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clear sunny day, sure dc10</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">moonless nigh in the dark? Not dc10<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Without darkvision? Not dc10 or that last one<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While it's 30 below & much of the rain is in the form of golfball sized hail? Not dc10 or that last one<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> While a wolf is hanging from your legging shaking violeently in attempt to disloge you?Not dc10 or that last one<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While in plate armor & carrying three backpacks? Not dc10 or that last one<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While the tree is in a acid fog causing you considerable pain?  Not dc10 or that last one<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">with a pair of racial claws on your fingers you are using to give yourself grip? Not dc10 or that last one<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While the tree is on fire?......</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul>so on & so forth.  Also the DC's aren't per the average joe, that's the gm deciding one of the unfilled variables.</blockquote>