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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8274678" data-attributes="member: 18">I don't mean to like, be mean, but I feel like you may overstating how broad and deep these sort of feeling were, re: &quot;hated&quot; and &quot;hadn't heard of&quot; and so on. Like, I think there were a few vocal people who did hate that stuff (but who would have heard of BW), but I don't think that was really as much of the &quot;OSR and 3E&quot; crowd as you're implying.I mean, what you defined crowd as though? People who play those games? Or people who exclusively play those games in a conscious and ideological way? The second being like a single digit percentage of the first.I feel like you're maybe traumatized or something and see the feelings as running a lot hotter than they did.Also, like, looking at real people, not internet people, who play/run RPGs who I've met in the real world or even on video conferences or the&nbsp; like, I'd say generally feelings are a lot less overwrought than messageboards, and like, one of the DMs who runs one of my D&amp;D campaigns is keen on BW conceptually, for example, but he doesn't run D&amp;D like that at all.Well, it might factor in that from 2015-2020 the D&amp;D community has enlarged many times over, and many of the people are joining from outside TT RPGs, or having been absent from online discussion of them for a long time. We're talking about more people playing D&amp;D alone now than were playing RPGs at all in height of the d20 era, maybe several times more.That's obviously not the case at this fairly grog-tastic site (god bless us our hearts), but it's certainly pretty obvious on, say, reddit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8274678, member: 18"] I don't mean to like, be mean, but I feel like you may overstating how broad and deep these sort of feeling were, re: "hated" and "hadn't heard of" and so on. Like, I think there were a few vocal people who did hate that stuff (but who would have heard of BW), but I don't think that was really as much of the "OSR and 3E" crowd as you're implying. I mean, what you defined crowd as though? People who play those games? Or people who [I]exclusively[/I] play those games in a conscious and ideological way? The second being like a single digit percentage of the first. I feel like you're maybe traumatized or something and see the feelings as running a lot hotter than they did. Also, like, looking at real people, not internet people, who play/run RPGs who I've met in the real world or even on video conferences or the like, I'd say generally feelings are a lot less overwrought than messageboards, and like, one of the DMs who runs one of my D&D campaigns is keen on BW conceptually, for example, but he doesn't run D&D like that at all. Well, it might factor in that from 2015-2020 the D&D community has enlarged many times over, and many of the people are joining from outside TT RPGs, or having been absent from online discussion of them for a long time. We're talking about more people playing D&D alone now than were playing RPGs at all in height of the d20 era, maybe several times more. That's obviously not the case at this fairly grog-tastic site (god bless us our hearts), but it's certainly pretty obvious on, say, reddit. [/QUOTE]

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