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<blockquote data-quote="Paul Farquhar" data-source="post: 8276036" data-attributes="member: 6906155">Which is how cosmologists continue to operate. You put one foot in front of the other and you move down the road. The foot, the road and the movement may not be real in any fundamental sense, but it's true enough for us to get on with our lives. You do not need to believe in a fundamental reality to remain sane.I'm arguing that there is no way to prove it won't all change tomorrow. That the universe is rational is something that has to be assumed in order to do science, it is not provable with science.Negative proof is the only kind of proof science deals with. You can prove something is false, but you cannot prove something is true, because however many times you repeat an experiment and get the same result there is now way to prove that the next experiment won't produce a different result without actually doing the experiment.This may be the case. Or it may not. It is, as I said, faith, not science. From what I have learned of cosmology, I'm pretty sure humans can't comprehend it, since we are already relying on computers to do a lot of the thinking for us.&nbsp; Whether is could be comprehended by hypothetical intellects as far beyond us as we are beyond a goldfish, I doubt that too. As a wise person once said &quot;it's turtles all the way down&quot;.Here is one for CoC players: there are beings as far beyond Cthulhu as Cthulhu is beyond humanity. And another set of beings beyond them, and beyond them, and beyond them...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Paul Farquhar, post: 8276036, member: 6906155"] Which is how cosmologists continue to operate. You put one foot in front of the other and you move down the road. The foot, the road and the movement may not be real in any fundamental sense, but it's true enough for us to get on with our lives. You do not need to believe in a fundamental reality to remain sane. I'm arguing that there is no way to prove it [I]won't[/I] all change tomorrow. That the universe is rational is something that has to be assumed in order to do science, it is not provable [I]with[/I] science. Negative proof is the only kind of proof science deals with. You can prove something is false, but you cannot prove something is true, because however many times you repeat an experiment and get the same result there is now way to prove that the next experiment won't produce a different result without actually doing the experiment. This may be the case. Or it may not. It is, as I said, faith, not science. From what I have learned of cosmology, I'm pretty sure humans can't comprehend it, since we are already relying on computers to do a lot of the thinking for us. Whether is could be comprehended by hypothetical intellects as far beyond us as we are beyond a goldfish, I doubt that too. As a wise person once said "it's turtles all the way down". Here is one for CoC players: there are beings as far beyond Cthulhu as Cthulhu is beyond humanity. And another set of beings beyond them, and beyond them, and beyond them... [/QUOTE]

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