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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9670211" data-attributes="member: 18">I mean, that's a bit silly.That's like having a system which does superpowers really, really badly (and oh god there are a fair few systems, especially bolt-ons to generic games which do superpowers really badly), and saying &quot;Nyaahhhh you can't say these superpowers are badly done because superpowers are fictional nyaaaah!&quot;.Psionics don't exist just in D&amp;D. They exist in fantasy fiction too - and not just the Deryni books, as I mentioned earlier most &quot;Romantic Fantasy&quot; (i.e. again Blue Rose stuff, not Romantasy) and a fair few other settings, including those by Robin Hobb also have what is, in D&amp;D terms, &quot;psionics&quot;, even if they don't use that term. So if D&amp;D's approach to psionics is weak fails when compared against both those AND previous editions of D&amp;D, I think it's pretty legit to say &quot;really&quot; and not just thumb your nose at that.The real defense, AFAICT is &quot;Well D&amp;D does an absolutely piss-poor job of representing magic in fantasy fiction in general, quite apart from psionics, so why should psionics not also get a pretty rubbish treatment?!?!?! Hmmmm?!?!?&quot; lol.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9670211, member: 18"] I mean, that's a bit silly. That's like having a system which does superpowers really, really badly (and oh god there are a fair few systems, especially bolt-ons to generic games which do superpowers really badly), and saying "Nyaahhhh you can't say these superpowers are badly done because superpowers are fictional nyaaaah!". Psionics don't exist just in D&D. They exist in fantasy fiction too - and not just the Deryni books, as I mentioned earlier most "Romantic Fantasy" (i.e. again Blue Rose stuff, not Romantasy) and a fair few other settings, including those by Robin Hobb also have what is, in D&D terms, "psionics", even if they don't use that term. So if D&D's approach to psionics is weak fails when compared against both those AND previous editions of D&D, I think it's pretty legit to say "really" and not just thumb your nose at that. The real defense, AFAICT is "Well D&D does an absolutely piss-poor job of representing magic in fantasy fiction in general, quite apart from psionics, so why should psionics not also get a pretty rubbish treatment?!?!?! Hmmmm?!?!?" lol. [/QUOTE]

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