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<blockquote data-quote="Aexalon" data-source="post: 4639977" data-attributes="member: 16283"><p>So, we're going to do things that way, are we. How about we trust the person who has the books and checked them, over the person who doesn't, shall we?</p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture407-all-4e-core-rulebooks-deluxe-edition.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p>But, since you've already demonstrated not taking my word for anything, and considering I consider it my duty to fight misinformation wherever I encounter it, allow me to present some more compelling evidence:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Consulting <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH.pdf" target="_blank">UpdatePH.pdf</a>, we see 4 entries marked "Version 4 (1/09)" in the change tracker.</p><p></p><p>E.g. Page 122 Shadow Stride [Revision]</p><p>[sblock]Shadow Stride [Revision]</p><p>Player’s Handbook, page 122</p><p>Replace the Effect line with the following:</p><p>Effect: You must be hidden to use this power. You can move your speed and must end your movement in a space where you can remain hidden. Then make a Stealth check with no penalty for moving. If the check succeeds, you remain hidden during the movement, even if you have no cover or concealment during it.</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture408-ph-example-1-shadow-stride-revision-player-s-handbook-page-122-replace-effect-line-following-effect-you-must-hidden-use-power-you-can-move-your-speed-must-end-your-movement-space-where-you-can-remain-hidden-then-make-stealth-check-no-penalty-moving-if-check-succeeds-you-remain-hidden-during-movement-even-if-you-have-no-cover-concealment-during.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>[/sblock]E.g. Page 137 Thirsting Maw [Addition]</p><p>[sblock]Thirsting Maw [Addition]</p><p>Player’s Handbook, page 137</p><p>Add the “Healing” keyword.</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture412-ph-example-2-thirsting-maw-addition-player-s-handbook-page-137-add-healing-keyword.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>[/sblock]</p><p>Consulting <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateDMG.pdf" target="_blank">UpdateDMG.pdf</a>, we see 3 entries marked "Version 4 (1/09)" in the change tracker.</p><p></p><p>E.g. Page 37 Blocked Vision [Revision]</p><p>[sblock]Blocked Vision [Revision]</p><p>Dungeon Master’s Guide, page 37</p><p>Replace the second paragraph with the following text:</p><p>Blocked vision provides an opportunity for characters or creatures to make Stealth checks to try to become hidden. Simply being out of sight doesn’t make a character or a creature hidden.</p><p></p><p> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture413-dmg-example-1-blocked-vision-revision-dungeon-master-s-guide-page-37-replace-second-paragraph-following-text-blocked-vision-provides-opportunity-characters-creatures-make-stealth-checks-try-become-hidden-simply-being-out-sight-doesn-t-make-character-creature-hidden.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>[/sblock]E.g. Page 200 Barstomun Strongbeard [Revision]</p><p>[sblock]Barstomun Strongbeard [Revision]</p><p>Dungeon Master’s Guide, page 200</p><p>Replace the dodge and throw attack power with the following text:</p><p>Dodge and Throw (immediate reaction, when an enemy misses Barstomun with a melee attack; encounter)</p><p>+7 vs. Fortitude; slide the target 1 square and knock it prone.</p><p></p><p> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture414-dmg-example-2-barstomun-strongbeard-revision-dungeon-master-s-guide-page-200-replace-dodge-throw-attack-power-following-text-dodge-throw-immediate-reaction-when-enemy-misses-barstomun-melee-attack-encounter-7-vs-fortitude-slide-target-1-square-knock-prone.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>[/sblock]</p><p>Consulting <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateMM.pdf" target="_blank">UpdateMM.pdf</a>, we see 6 entries marked "Version 4 (1/09)" in the change tracker.</p><p></p><p>E.g. Page 151 Night Hag [Revision]</p><p>[sblock]Night Hag [Revision]</p><p>Monster Manual, page 151</p><p>In the night hag’s statistics block, replace “no save” in the wave of sleep power with “save ends”.</p><p></p><p> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture415-mm-example-1-night-hag-revision-monster-manual-page-151-night-hag-s-statistics-block-replace-no-save-wave-sleep-power-save-ends.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>[/sblock]E.g. Page 230 Shadar-kai Gloomblade [Revision]</p><p>[sblock]Shadar-kai Gloomblade [Revision]</p><p>Monster Manual, page 230</p><p>In veil of shadows, replace the first sentence with “The shadar-kai gloomblade turns invisible until the end of his turn and moves his speed.”</p><p>Replace “shadowmail” in the Equipment line with “chainmail.”</p><p></p><p> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture416-mm-example-2-shadar-kai-gloomblade-revision-monster-manual-page-230-veil-shadows-replace-first-sentence-shadar-kai-gloomblade-turns-invisible-until-end-his-turn-moves-his-speed-replace-shadowmail-equipment-line-chainmail.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>[/sblock]Q.E.D.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It was. You just seems unwilling to accept the answer I provided: that the deluxe edition of the 4E core rulebooks are not out of date at all.</p><p></p><p>More on topic: after deliberate attempts with dry fingers, tap water and saliva, I remain unable to smudge any part of the book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aexalon, post: 4639977, member: 16283"] So, we're going to do things that way, are we. How about we trust the person who has the books and checked them, over the person who doesn't, shall we? [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture407-all-4e-core-rulebooks-deluxe-edition.jpg[/IMG] But, since you've already demonstrated not taking my word for anything, and considering I consider it my duty to fight misinformation wherever I encounter it, allow me to present some more compelling evidence: Consulting [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH.pdf"]UpdatePH.pdf[/URL], we see 4 entries marked "Version 4 (1/09)" in the change tracker. E.g. Page 122 Shadow Stride [Revision] [sblock]Shadow Stride [Revision] Player’s Handbook, page 122 Replace the Effect line with the following: Effect: You must be hidden to use this power. You can move your speed and must end your movement in a space where you can remain hidden. Then make a Stealth check with no penalty for moving. If the check succeeds, you remain hidden during the movement, even if you have no cover or concealment during it. [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture408-ph-example-1-shadow-stride-revision-player-s-handbook-page-122-replace-effect-line-following-effect-you-must-hidden-use-power-you-can-move-your-speed-must-end-your-movement-space-where-you-can-remain-hidden-then-make-stealth-check-no-penalty-moving-if-check-succeeds-you-remain-hidden-during-movement-even-if-you-have-no-cover-concealment-during.jpg[/IMG] [/sblock]E.g. Page 137 Thirsting Maw [Addition] [sblock]Thirsting Maw [Addition] Player’s Handbook, page 137 Add the “Healing” keyword. [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture412-ph-example-2-thirsting-maw-addition-player-s-handbook-page-137-add-healing-keyword.jpg[/IMG] [/sblock] Consulting [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateDMG.pdf"]UpdateDMG.pdf[/URL], we see 3 entries marked "Version 4 (1/09)" in the change tracker. E.g. Page 37 Blocked Vision [Revision] [sblock]Blocked Vision [Revision] Dungeon Master’s Guide, page 37 Replace the second paragraph with the following text: Blocked vision provides an opportunity for characters or creatures to make Stealth checks to try to become hidden. Simply being out of sight doesn’t make a character or a creature hidden. [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture413-dmg-example-1-blocked-vision-revision-dungeon-master-s-guide-page-37-replace-second-paragraph-following-text-blocked-vision-provides-opportunity-characters-creatures-make-stealth-checks-try-become-hidden-simply-being-out-sight-doesn-t-make-character-creature-hidden.jpg[/IMG] [/sblock]E.g. Page 200 Barstomun Strongbeard [Revision] [sblock]Barstomun Strongbeard [Revision] Dungeon Master’s Guide, page 200 Replace the dodge and throw attack power with the following text: Dodge and Throw (immediate reaction, when an enemy misses Barstomun with a melee attack; encounter) +7 vs. Fortitude; slide the target 1 square and knock it prone. [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture414-dmg-example-2-barstomun-strongbeard-revision-dungeon-master-s-guide-page-200-replace-dodge-throw-attack-power-following-text-dodge-throw-immediate-reaction-when-enemy-misses-barstomun-melee-attack-encounter-7-vs-fortitude-slide-target-1-square-knock-prone.jpg[/IMG] [/sblock] Consulting [URL="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateMM.pdf"]UpdateMM.pdf[/URL], we see 6 entries marked "Version 4 (1/09)" in the change tracker. E.g. Page 151 Night Hag [Revision] [sblock]Night Hag [Revision] Monster Manual, page 151 In the night hag’s statistics block, replace “no save” in the wave of sleep power with “save ends”. [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture415-mm-example-1-night-hag-revision-monster-manual-page-151-night-hag-s-statistics-block-replace-no-save-wave-sleep-power-save-ends.jpg[/IMG] [/sblock]E.g. Page 230 Shadar-kai Gloomblade [Revision] [sblock]Shadar-kai Gloomblade [Revision] Monster Manual, page 230 In veil of shadows, replace the first sentence with “The shadar-kai gloomblade turns invisible until the end of his turn and moves his speed.” Replace “shadowmail” in the Equipment line with “chainmail.” [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/aexalon-albums-4e-deluxe-core-rulebooks-update-proof-picture416-mm-example-2-shadar-kai-gloomblade-revision-monster-manual-page-230-veil-shadows-replace-first-sentence-shadar-kai-gloomblade-turns-invisible-until-end-his-turn-moves-his-speed-replace-shadowmail-equipment-line-chainmail.jpg[/IMG] [/sblock]Q.E.D. It was. You just seems unwilling to accept the answer I provided: that the deluxe edition of the 4E core rulebooks are not out of date at all. More on topic: after deliberate attempts with dry fingers, tap water and saliva, I remain unable to smudge any part of the book. [/QUOTE]
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