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<blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 9464482" data-attributes="member: 7034611">nono they are not, compromise where possible, otherwise the DM has the final word and the player(s) can accept it or leave the tableeh, you do not allow the DM to ever put his foot down, so yes, the DM has to cave, that is just the other side of the same coin. I have not seen you make the same demand of the players…yes, such cases should be rare, no one said they are common, only that they exist.what if both sides are willing to budge a little, but not enough to reach a middle ground they can agree onpeople are rarely reasonableas a last resort, sure, otherwise everyone else would be forcing their will on the DM at that pointno, because no compromise could be reached and because at that point there isn’t really any other option leftnonsense, compromise is always better, but if for some reason that cannot be reached what do you suggest, that the player can force their will on the DM? There simply is no other feasible step leftI see that if no compromise can be reached neither side can force the other to accept something they do not like. So either the player walks, or all players walk and the DM is without a group.What does not happen is that the DM has to accept the player’s proposal (or however far the player was willing to ‘compromise’) because that is forcing the player’s will onto the DM. Not sure why you do not see that.again, nonsense, accepting the proposal or finding a compromise are the norm, I am talking about the rare exception where the two sides reach no compromise, at that point there is nothing else left</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mamba, post: 9464482, member: 7034611"] no no they are not, compromise where possible, otherwise the DM has the final word and the player(s) can accept it or leave the table eh, you do not allow the DM to ever put his foot down, so yes, the DM has to cave, that is just the other side of the same coin. I have not seen you make the same demand of the players… yes, such cases should be rare, no one said they are common, only that they exist. what if both sides are willing to budge a little, but not enough to reach a middle ground they can agree on people are rarely reasonable as a last resort, sure, otherwise everyone else would be forcing their will on the DM at that point no, because no compromise could be reached and because at that point there isn’t really any other option left nonsense, compromise is always better, but if for some reason that cannot be reached what do you suggest, that the player can force their will on the DM? There simply is no other feasible step left I see that if no compromise can be reached neither side can force the other to accept something they do not like. So either the player walks, or all players walk and the DM is without a group. What does not happen is that the DM has to accept the player’s proposal (or however far the player was willing to ‘compromise’) because that is forcing the player’s will onto the DM. Not sure why you do not see that. again, nonsense, accepting the proposal or finding a compromise are the norm, I am talking about the rare exception where the two sides reach no compromise, at that point there is nothing else left [/QUOTE]

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