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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9468504" data-attributes="member: 93670">Not seeing what?  The mere idea that a "subverter/abused gamer syndrome player" could expose weakness in milestone leveling?  Covered that earlier in posts like <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/d-d-dungeon-master%E2%80%99s-guide-2024.702712/post-9467494" target="_blank">this</a> this while folks were trying to justify reasons why the gm should be cool with post 450 bob behaving as described by others <a href="https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/44282/roleplaying-games/abused-gamer-syndrome" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z1yrVQZRTw&t=666s" target="_blank">here</a>.. Yes under an experience system players get quantifiable amounts of  experience for killing monsters & such, but that experience can be adjusted up or down as the GM sees fit & frequently is.  Milestone leveling lacks anything quantifiable that can be reduced in a way the GM could say "well yea, I had to improv that whole thing because you guys went off [chasing windmills] while ignoring all of the tries at hooks that might lead back to the adventure & stuff going on in the world". Perhaps the missing element is a result of the apparent effort from more than one poster to explain what the GM should do if the seemingly obvious problem player post 450 Bob was presented as were not a problem player causing past comments to be misinterpreted as a call for GM advice rather than examples of a weakness present in milestone leveling?[USER=59816]@FitzTheRuke[/USER] I included those two bolded links because the disconnect you present seems to rest largely in some level of disbelief that a player might ever act like post 450 Bob often enough for him to serve as an example.  I don't think that you are missing the idea that other players might feel primed to push back against Bob's subverting tendencies out of self interest if they are worried about not getting enough experience or falling behind on the gold they expect their character to need even if they just want to play dnd & don't care what the adventure is without the GM needing to push & we've gone over all manner of specifics.  Have you considered that you seem to be giving too much benefit of the doubt to a hypothetical player described by their demonstration of problem behavior? Why is there pushback over the mere idea that milestone leveling being weak to players like bob in ways that experience for deeds & gold for experience are more resilient to.  Don't forget that same sort of "exaggerated hypothetical" behavior described for Bob was also described by the linked dndshorts & alexandrian <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z1yrVQZRTw&t=666s" target="_blank">video</a>/<a href="https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/44282/roleplaying-games/abused-gamer-syndrome" target="_blank">blogpost</a>.</blockquote>

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