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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 9393962" data-attributes="member: 5142">Please do not presume that I am bothered by something that I have not stated that I am bothered by. I said that your logic made my brain hurt. I didn't say that I am "not okay with a '3 strength is better than a 14.'" I don't think that your argument that someone's brain hurting from what you propose would make that person understand why people would be bothered by roll under. It demonstrates that people are bothered by what you would propose, but no more than that. So it's a bit spurious. The logic of your argument is leaping so to speak. There is an argumentative gap one part of the argument and the conclusion. That said, I'm not terribly bothered by what you proposed. After all, this is kinda how saves worked in older editions of D&D, as you would roll over the value of your saves score. The value of your saves would go down as you increased in level. So representing the same but with your attributes is not a far stretch. As a reminder there is a difference between Roll Under and THAC0. THAC0 is not the end all and be all for roll under systems. There are fair number of different roll under systems out there, including Blackjack like ones in Pendragon: i.e., roll as high as you can without going over the value.</blockquote>