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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9639518" data-attributes="member: 29398">Nothing to do with "forced"; much more to do with how a player reacts when their character dies or something else awful happens to it, be it through poor play or sheer bad luck or whatever.  (note that I'm assuming a non-malicious DM here; a malicious or vindictive DM is its own problem requiring a different discussion)I've played with and DMed a lot of "good sports" who take such things in stride and carry on.  I've also played with and DMed (fortunately not as many!) some poor sports who when bad things happened would pout or throw dice or storm out or maybe even all three.I have exactly zero use for or tolerance of the latter.  I'd really like to think this isn't a controversial position; if it is, we've (as in, far more than just the gaming community) got bigger problems.I also, perhaps more controversially, have zero use for a system or table wherein character death and other bad things by design cannot happen (or cannot happen without player consent); such things seem to me to exist in order to cater to the poor sports, and I don't see that sort of attitude as something to be in any way supported or encouraged.I'm failing to see the connection between new DM slip-ups and fudging.I think I've either lost the point here or you're misinterpreting what I wrote (the latter always possible as I'm not always the best at making myself clear).And I'm saying the former, not the latter.Then again, how many supervised flight hours does a trainee pilot have to put in before being allowed to fly alone, as mandated by regulations?  Most DMs don't get much if any training at it, either formal or informal, other than through paying attention to how their existing DM does it; and the various DMGs' advice all put together - while well-meaning - still falls rather short of the mark.  Which means the only avenue left is a simple equation: [trial + error + persistence].</blockquote>

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