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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5208367" data-attributes="member: 2067">So we agree.That's one of the designers big points: familiar races aren't what you'd expect. Everything gets twisted by the Dark Sun filter. That's what I meant by "ignore the man behind the curtain." Oh, these are goliaths, wink wink, nudge, nudge. Only they're not really goliaths. Just like you'd have to wink at the halflings and the elves, hiding the man behind the curtain. They're not really the same thing at all, despite the common name. They're really (functionally) something totally different. Scribble said that it was only a case of filing off the serial numbers, and I was pointing out that the two are, in reality, quite distinct. As distinct as Athasian halflings are from the Hobbit, really. Mostly I just wanted to find out what kind of critter they put the name "tiefling" on, since the original race's extraplanar "ancient kingdom" flavor seemed, to me, to be wildly out of place in Athas's setting. The Encounters had a pregen tiefling, so I was hoping someone with access to the materials could tell us a bit about how the Athasian filter warped them, since that might give observers a hint as to how they've integrated some of the planar-themed material from the core.</blockquote>