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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9844631" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I cannot help attempting to do the math. I'm literally not capable of not trying to do the math. So while I appreciate what you're saying, it doesn't help.Okay, but what if you...didn't use inherently pejorative terms for the one and terms you consider favorable for the other?Like what if we called the herd-of-cats thing "total dysfunction" and, instead of seeing yourself as reduced to a mere "cog in a machine", instead viewed you as an essential teammate everyone relies on, such as "birds of a feather"? Like it seems like you've already set out to judge anything that isn't "nearly constant dysfunction" as turning you into nothing more than a tool being used by other people. That's a pretty jaundiced view of teamwork.Do you interpret "Fighter" as being one who is exclusively allowed to fight, and no other activities? Do you interpret at "Magic-User" as the only person allowed to use any form of magic?All "leader" means is someone at the front. Remember, these terms are actually used in real life. They don't come from MMOs, or anything like them. They come from soccer. All three role titles come from association football, excluding Controller. A defender's job is to get in the face of opponent players and stop them from achieving their goals, and the two styles of 4e Defender (namely, "Marking" vs "Defender Aura") are genuinely based on the ways people approach defense in soccer: either you focus on specific players to oppose, harrying their movements, or you focus on specific areas, preventing the passage of the ball through them. And a leader...is literally a person who leads the ball, running ahead to set up a striker so that they can get the ball into the net.It's literally using IRL teamwork words. All this stuff about literally being The Party's Leader is straight-up in your head.And yet it's happened every time. 5e crapped on 4e. 4e crapped on 3e. 3e crapped on 2e. If it's a fault of 4e, it's a fault of functionally every edition published this millennium.Perhaps. But by that same token, there is only finite space in any given book. We cannot put everything into the first book. Some of the time, some things may need to just...wait, because books can't scale up to infinite size for fixed price.And, to be clear here? The time span between PHB1 and PHB2 was nine months, June '08 to March '09. If you want to complain--as some already have!--that it was a cash-grab by inflating the number of books, then sure, go right ahead. But don't make it out to be this interminable wait to get core stuff. It took more than a year for 5e to publish its first supplement--and yes, there were things in it that I'm sure folks would have preferred appear in the PHB. (Some of them got put into the 2024 PHB, which is pretty telling.)If I may ask--what? Obviously it did not have the full slate of classes, as already recognized. But beyond that, what was so essential that you literally couldn't run even a short campaign with it? Again, nine months. And if you spent like $15 on a single month subscription to DDI, you'd get instant access to everything published--and because they were still using the offline tools at the time, you'd keep access to it.</blockquote>

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