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Message: <blockquote data-quote="payn" data-source="post: 9844728" data-attributes="member: 90374">This is a false equivalency. I was there for 2E into 3E into 4E into 5E. 4E was the only one the IP holder actively marketed against the previous editions. The fan chatter always does, I'll give you that. Though we are talking about WotC itself deciding to sell the game by actively nay saying the past. 5E ignores 4E, and that may feel like a crapping on to you which I can understand. They are not actively running ads saying how dumb things were in 4E though. For a change as radical as 4E was, telling folks their favorite things are only 9 months away might as well have been an eternity.It was just one more obstacle to converting customers to the new system. Not an insurmountable one, but just one more reason to not adopt. I jumped in with a campaign right out the gun. I eventually noped out and moved onto PF. When I've spoken to 4E fans abotu things I didnt like they usually say, "well if you stuck around X years and got Y and Z books you;d have enjoyed it." I was long gone by then and never looking back. I think the intent was entirely different between 4E and 5E though. Wizards made an attempt (it was never a promise if you look at the quote "we want to put every class into the PHB") to include as much as possible from every edition. I agree that its impossible to include everything, but I think the effort to listen to folks and try meant a lot. The 4Eapproach was more one of expecting folks to just move on as they had from 1E to 2E to 3E. It was an error that its clear WotC understands now.Not Lanefan but... Seems trivial, but it ended up being a lot to ask. I was already on the fence looking for reasons to play 4E, these things simply contributed to my moving on instead.</blockquote>

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