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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DammitVictor" data-source="post: 9845548" data-attributes="member: 6750908">Except my point was that those elements were not incorporated at all because they were replaced with "close enough" alternatives that bear only superficial resemblance to the things they were replaced with. Dark Sun Campaign Setting did not need to shoehorn dragonborn and tieflings in at all, and it didn't need to include dray as a playable race-- but it did, because dragonborn and tieflings were in the PHB. I just got done arguing that page count is a valid limitation, so I'm not going to argue against it now, but I'd argue that no campaign setting in AD&D or 3.X needed 300 pages-- in one book, not several-- to sort out how its mages and priests were different than the core D&D mages and priests. 4e and 5e didn't alter the setting to fit the system because they had to, they did it because of a conscious design decision that the system was the game and the setting was just stage dressing.Which is precisely why reskinning undermines the very objectives its advocates use to justify it.</blockquote>