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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9847458" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>And I see the GM as having numerous responsibilities, because with great power comes great responsibility. If you intend to impose limitations on something that is <em>literally selling itself as embracing the infinite creativity of the human mind</em>, you'd damned well better tell me why those limits are better than creative freedom.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It was important because it nixed the key component of your objection. I personally consider that objection ridiculous (amongst other negative descriptions), but for the sake of argument I accepted that you would require such a thing, and thus pointed to something foundational, underpowered, and (extremely) popular, so that none of those objections could possibly apply. 5.0 PHB dragonborn are, as stated, in the PHB so it cannot be argued that they're somehow power-creep or ridiculous obscure stuff; they are, as WotC has functionally (and perhaps explicitly?) admitted, quite under-powered and clearly the weakest species option in the 5.0 PHB; and we have repeated evidence that they are wildly popular and, as far as we can tell, only <em>growing</em> in popularity. </p><p></p><p>Hence, if you were to start a new campaign tomorrow or to invite people to join an existing campaign tomorrow, you would be quite likely to have one or more players who would want to play one.* They are almost surely interested exclusively for their aesthetic or thematic elements since the mechanical ones are weaker than any other option they could've picked (far, <em>far</em> better to play elf or half-elf in 5.0--as in, half-elf is pretty much objectively superior in nearly every way?). And they're present right there in the PHB, in addition to being made famous by <em>Baldur's Gate 3</em>,** one of the most beloved computer games of this decade.</p><p></p><p>*IIRC the last data where we could directly compare proportions indicated dragonborn were around 12% of characters, and they've only increased since then. Call it 1/6th now. The odds that a 5-person party wouldn't include someone wanting to play a dragonborn are about (5/6)^5 = ~.4019, aka around 40%. Meaning, about 2/3 of fresh five-person parties will include at least one person who'd like to play one. That's much more likely than not!</p><p></p><p>**And, as a dragonborn fan, I couldn't have been happier. I was <em>profoundly</em> worried when they said straight-up nothing at all about dragonborn for over two years of development time. All those fears melted away the moment I saw those initial face-sculpts, and they followed through on the rest of the execution. The Dark Urge is a genuinely fascinating character, and the "default" version being a dragonborn is thematically genius relative to the stories of BG1/2/ToB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9847458, member: 6790260"] And I see the GM as having numerous responsibilities, because with great power comes great responsibility. If you intend to impose limitations on something that is [I]literally selling itself as embracing the infinite creativity of the human mind[/I], you'd damned well better tell me why those limits are better than creative freedom. It was important because it nixed the key component of your objection. I personally consider that objection ridiculous (amongst other negative descriptions), but for the sake of argument I accepted that you would require such a thing, and thus pointed to something foundational, underpowered, and (extremely) popular, so that none of those objections could possibly apply. 5.0 PHB dragonborn are, as stated, in the PHB so it cannot be argued that they're somehow power-creep or ridiculous obscure stuff; they are, as WotC has functionally (and perhaps explicitly?) admitted, quite under-powered and clearly the weakest species option in the 5.0 PHB; and we have repeated evidence that they are wildly popular and, as far as we can tell, only [I]growing[/I] in popularity. Hence, if you were to start a new campaign tomorrow or to invite people to join an existing campaign tomorrow, you would be quite likely to have one or more players who would want to play one.* They are almost surely interested exclusively for their aesthetic or thematic elements since the mechanical ones are weaker than any other option they could've picked (far, [I]far[/I] better to play elf or half-elf in 5.0--as in, half-elf is pretty much objectively superior in nearly every way?). And they're present right there in the PHB, in addition to being made famous by [I]Baldur's Gate 3[/I],** one of the most beloved computer games of this decade. *IIRC the last data where we could directly compare proportions indicated dragonborn were around 12% of characters, and they've only increased since then. Call it 1/6th now. The odds that a 5-person party wouldn't include someone wanting to play a dragonborn are about (5/6)^5 = ~.4019, aka around 40%. Meaning, about 2/3 of fresh five-person parties will include at least one person who'd like to play one. That's much more likely than not! **And, as a dragonborn fan, I couldn't have been happier. I was [I]profoundly[/I] worried when they said straight-up nothing at all about dragonborn for over two years of development time. All those fears melted away the moment I saw those initial face-sculpts, and they followed through on the rest of the execution. The Dark Urge is a genuinely fascinating character, and the "default" version being a dragonborn is thematically genius relative to the stories of BG1/2/ToB. [/QUOTE]
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