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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 7654259" data-attributes="member: 6779310">1) you don't get the same thing with Pathfinder. You get something that's similar in many ways, but not the same1a) Pathfinder and D&D 3e/3.5e are much "heavier" rulesets, in terms of complexity of mechanics.1b) Pathfinder will never have legit authoritative native rules material for the Realms, Greyhawk, Dark Sun, Mystara, etc1c) Despite 4 years of being top of the market, almost no one outside gaming knows what Pathfinder is. Most still think D&D. Pathfinder has failed to have the name recognition. 2) If you're avoiding it out of protest, pretty much, you've already lost. You're background noise. HasBro really doesn't give a whit.2a) WotC, a still autonomous operational company owned by HasBro has already sold a lot of units. The D&D name still sells. And the guys at WotC sure give the impression of caring if the game's good.2b) and the D&D 5e game is good on its own merits.I've always preferred other games over D&D. Always. But I've also always realized that D&D is the big bad boy on the block, due to name recognition, and hoped it would return to a light to medium-light rules weight, instead of the late 2e to 4E rules medium-heavy to heavy, because it spreads gaming. But I also know that playing D&D expands my potential player base 10-fold.And as long as D&D is out there, it's the most likely venue for newbs. The name IS the key thing. Star Wars (now from FFG) has always been a big second stringer for newbs, and has a REALLY good, ground up, total "never heard of RPG's before seeing the box" beginner's box line. D&D is still likely to draw more newbs.</blockquote>

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