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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7009899" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You know, I get the sentiment, but thinking about it... isn't that kind of how it is supposed to be?If we took Catwoman, Rambo, Indiana Jones, and Jet Li and put them in a fantasy world, what kinds of things are we expecting them to do?Use their skills (persuasion, stealth, investigation, survival, deception, ect) and hit people hard and fast (DPR)Would we expect them to be able to cure petrification or summon the elements or reseal and ancient demon? If that was the plot, they would either need an NPC or a Macguffin (or and NPC named Macguffin) to cover that mystic stuff they don't have. And the story would make that a side-focus. It isn't them casting the ritual, it's them holding off this crazy strong demon while the nerdy guy chants a 1 minute spell they pulled from the tomb of an ancient king, where Indy broke the traps and getting it translated by a guy Catwoman seduced. In a mechanical sense, I agree, every party needs a variety of healing tools and capabilities as well as some magic craziness to fly or teleport to certain locations. But, you can tell a good story where that was all done by other people, and the heroes did the part that the others couldn't do. With only Skills and DPR</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7009899, member: 6801228"] You know, I get the sentiment, but thinking about it... isn't that kind of how it is supposed to be? If we took Catwoman, Rambo, Indiana Jones, and Jet Li and put them in a fantasy world, what kinds of things are we expecting them to do? Use their skills (persuasion, stealth, investigation, survival, deception, ect) and hit people hard and fast (DPR) Would we expect them to be able to cure petrification or summon the elements or reseal and ancient demon? If that was the plot, they would either need an NPC or a Macguffin (or and NPC named Macguffin) to cover that mystic stuff they don't have. And the story would make that a side-focus. It isn't them casting the ritual, it's them holding off this crazy strong demon while the nerdy guy chants a 1 minute spell they pulled from the tomb of an ancient king, where Indy broke the traps and getting it translated by a guy Catwoman seduced. In a mechanical sense, I agree, every party needs a variety of healing tools and capabilities as well as some magic craziness to fly or teleport to certain locations. But, you can tell a good story where that was all done by other people, and the heroes did the part that the others couldn't do. With only Skills and DPR [/QUOTE]

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