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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 7010517" data-attributes="member: 926">I will admit right from the start that I genuinely despise everything about 4E, from the mechanics to the setting.&nbsp; But separating the flavor from the mechanics, one of the things that really made my stomach churn about the 4E setting flavor was the names, as petty as that may seem.&nbsp; Feywild?&nbsp; Shadowfell?&nbsp; Aarrgghh.&nbsp; So cutesy it makes my teeth itch.&nbsp; Call them Faerie and the Plane of Shadow, please (except the Shadowfell seemed to be a merging of Shadow and Ethereal, as far as I could tell.)&nbsp; As a great strip from Penny Arcade pointed out, Shadowfell just means &quot;Dark Bad,&quot; albeit in the most precious, generic, Young Adult fantasy manner.&nbsp; All of the names seemed to be run through a cheesy &quot;Earth to Faerun&quot; translator and back again.But the names really felt to me to be just a symptom of the whole way of thinking behind the flavor; the original 1E/2E/3E flavor was very much in the vein of dark pulpy Weird Fiction - Leiber/Howard/Lovecraft/Moorcock, while 4E felt to me like something from Eragon.&nbsp; (Speaking of cutesy, I even hate the 2E/Planescape names for the Outer Planes, so it's not specific to 4E.&nbsp; Carceri?&nbsp; Mechanus?&nbsp; By Yog-Sothoth, please no.&nbsp; Tartarus and Nirvana.&nbsp; Ysgard instead of Asgard?&nbsp; Why?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 7010517, member: 926"] I will admit right from the start that I genuinely despise everything about 4E, from the mechanics to the setting. But separating the flavor from the mechanics, one of the things that really made my stomach churn about the 4E setting flavor was the names, as petty as that may seem. Feywild? Shadowfell? Aarrgghh. So cutesy it makes my teeth itch. Call them Faerie and the Plane of Shadow, please (except the Shadowfell seemed to be a merging of Shadow and Ethereal, as far as I could tell.) As a great strip from Penny Arcade pointed out, Shadowfell just means "Dark Bad," albeit in the most precious, generic, Young Adult fantasy manner. All of the names seemed to be run through a cheesy "Earth to Faerun" translator and back again. But the names really felt to me to be just a symptom of the whole way of thinking behind the flavor; the original 1E/2E/3E flavor was very much in the vein of dark pulpy Weird Fiction - Leiber/Howard/Lovecraft/Moorcock, while 4E felt to me like something from Eragon. (Speaking of cutesy, I even hate the 2E/Planescape names for the Outer Planes, so it's not specific to 4E. Carceri? Mechanus? By Yog-Sothoth, please no. Tartarus and Nirvana. Ysgard instead of Asgard? Why?) [/QUOTE]

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