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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7027904" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>What could you mistake one for? A sussurus? A adventurer with way too many ioun stones? ("Dude, this an intervention, y'gotta get off the stones, man, they're run'n your life, <em>we don't even know who you are anymore</em>...")</p><p></p><p> That's <strong>Classic<em>al</em></strong>, as in the ancient Greeks. Of course, their creation myth also featured the world being drawn from those <em>Elements</em> in <em>Chaos</em>, and a <em>War</em> between the Titans and the Gods at the <em>Dawn</em> of Time.</p><p></p><p> Have you ever thought about reconciling the World Axis & the Great Wheel?</p><p></p><p>(That's rhetorical, 'cause I'm gonna go on about doing just that, right now. OK, and maybe I'm going to project a little of the WoD 'Umbra' onto it, too.)</p><p></p><p>So, some seconds after reading words to the effect of "...the Lattice of Heaven was destroyed..." I thought, 'hey, the alignment-structured/segregated Outer Planes, the rim of the Great Wheel, could've been the Lattice of Heaven.' OK, not really, because the Lattice of Heaven <em>connected</em> Divine Domains, but then we hear Erathis is trying to re-build the Lattice /or something else to put in it's place/. Hmmm...</p><p></p><p>So, what if, say, leading up to or after a hypothetical Dusk War that re-shapes the multiverse, Erathis compromises with some of the various deities who have gone all cliquish (maybe Moradin and Kord had a falling out, and Kord is getting all angsty and claiming to be "Good, but Chaotic - y'guys just don't understand me! whatever! I'm going to my mountain!") or who no one wants to live right next to anyway ("I won the Dawn War for you, and this is the thanks I get?"-A), and instead of facilitating travel in the new order, divvy things up. Each moral/ethical faction gets their own mega-domain that's an exclusive club. (Of course, once that criteria's set, all the gods are like "Yeah, well, I'm Chaotic-Neutral-with-good-tendencies, and I'm not sharing my room with Kord!" "Well, if I have to live with him, I'm bringing my Eladrin with me!" OK, fine. "Yeah, and I'm Lawful, so I should room with Bahamut - 'Evil?' that's all relative... fine, but I'm Lawful Evil, no way I'm putting up with Zahir's lizard-stank.") </p><p></p><p>Eventually it all shakes out and everyone's happy with their assigned echo-chamber/alignment-plane. In gratitude, they murder Erathis and purge her name and memory from reality. Because, really, she was one stuck up-</p><p></p><p>Who was?</p><p></p><p>IDK, what were we talking about?</p><p></p><p>Oh, yeah, the World Axis and the Great Wheel. OK, so the above isn't so much reconciling them as humorously writing one out of existence with extreme prejudice. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Seriously, though, you could reconcile them, too (I'm gonna get all Mage: the Ascension, now, so fair warning). One way to look at the Great Wheel is as a philosophical construct. It groups morally & ethically like Powers, it needn't mean they /literally/ exist in stacks of shoeboxes arranged in a ring around the outer edge of the multiverse. Just that you can treat 'em that way, y'know, so your head doesn't explode. There might be other ways of keeping your brains in you skull. So, depending on your beliefs or your place in history, you might go to the Astral Sea and follow wisps of color about until you pass through a veil into a Domain ('cause that's totally epic somehow?)... or, you might leave your body tethered by an Astral Cord and then 'shift' into an outer plane where you make youself a new body (or something, it's been a while). Point is, either way, you're getting from A to B, and how you draw the map of imponderables is prettymuch up to you (and, of course, if you're from Sigil, that includes putting your home town at the center of the universe, because, hey, what else is there that matters, right).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7027904, member: 996"] What could you mistake one for? A sussurus? A adventurer with way too many ioun stones? ("Dude, this an intervention, y'gotta get off the stones, man, they're run'n your life, [i]we don't even know who you are anymore[/i]...") That's [b]Classic[i]al[/i][/b][i][/i], as in the ancient Greeks. Of course, their creation myth also featured the world being drawn from those [i]Elements[/i] in [i]Chaos[/i], and a [i]War[/i] between the Titans and the Gods at the [i]Dawn[/i] of Time. Have you ever thought about reconciling the World Axis & the Great Wheel? (That's rhetorical, 'cause I'm gonna go on about doing just that, right now. OK, and maybe I'm going to project a little of the WoD 'Umbra' onto it, too.) So, some seconds after reading words to the effect of "...the Lattice of Heaven was destroyed..." I thought, 'hey, the alignment-structured/segregated Outer Planes, the rim of the Great Wheel, could've been the Lattice of Heaven.' OK, not really, because the Lattice of Heaven [i]connected[/i] Divine Domains, but then we hear Erathis is trying to re-build the Lattice /or something else to put in it's place/. Hmmm... So, what if, say, leading up to or after a hypothetical Dusk War that re-shapes the multiverse, Erathis compromises with some of the various deities who have gone all cliquish (maybe Moradin and Kord had a falling out, and Kord is getting all angsty and claiming to be "Good, but Chaotic - y'guys just don't understand me! whatever! I'm going to my mountain!") or who no one wants to live right next to anyway ("I won the Dawn War for you, and this is the thanks I get?"-A), and instead of facilitating travel in the new order, divvy things up. Each moral/ethical faction gets their own mega-domain that's an exclusive club. (Of course, once that criteria's set, all the gods are like "Yeah, well, I'm Chaotic-Neutral-with-good-tendencies, and I'm not sharing my room with Kord!" "Well, if I have to live with him, I'm bringing my Eladrin with me!" OK, fine. "Yeah, and I'm Lawful, so I should room with Bahamut - 'Evil?' that's all relative... fine, but I'm Lawful Evil, no way I'm putting up with Zahir's lizard-stank.") Eventually it all shakes out and everyone's happy with their assigned echo-chamber/alignment-plane. In gratitude, they murder Erathis and purge her name and memory from reality. Because, really, she was one stuck up- Who was? IDK, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah, the World Axis and the Great Wheel. OK, so the above isn't so much reconciling them as humorously writing one out of existence with extreme prejudice. Seriously, though, you could reconcile them, too (I'm gonna get all Mage: the Ascension, now, so fair warning). One way to look at the Great Wheel is as a philosophical construct. It groups morally & ethically like Powers, it needn't mean they /literally/ exist in stacks of shoeboxes arranged in a ring around the outer edge of the multiverse. Just that you can treat 'em that way, y'know, so your head doesn't explode. There might be other ways of keeping your brains in you skull. So, depending on your beliefs or your place in history, you might go to the Astral Sea and follow wisps of color about until you pass through a veil into a Domain ('cause that's totally epic somehow?)... or, you might leave your body tethered by an Astral Cord and then 'shift' into an outer plane where you make youself a new body (or something, it's been a while). Point is, either way, you're getting from A to B, and how you draw the map of imponderables is prettymuch up to you (and, of course, if you're from Sigil, that includes putting your home town at the center of the universe, because, hey, what else is there that matters, right). [/QUOTE]
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