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<blockquote data-quote="el-remmen" data-source="post: 3352954" data-attributes="member: 11">The &quot;D&amp;D Experience&quot; is a gestalt of just about every moderate to long term player's experience playing what they called or understood to be Dungeons &amp; Dragons.It is near-LARP immersion role-playing with people getting up from the table to speak in character with others, and it is gamist moving a miniature to the most precise tactical square on a battlemat and turning to a fellow player to say, &quot;And now you move your fighter to that square so we can flank and my rogue can use a sneak attack&quot;.&nbsp; And it is introducing variant or homebrewed rules to emulate action movies or Middle-Earth or what-have-you.There is no such thing as a &quot;pure&quot; D&amp;D experience.&nbsp; Rather it is a shared experience by many disparate groups and players with great areas of overlap and fringe areas that&nbsp; hardliners would argue are &quot;not&quot; D&amp;D, but never-the-less are.In fact, I would posit that it is in the differences in how we play the game and yet generally all recognize it as D&amp;D that the game has its strength - and the discussion of these differences leads to its fertility of ideas and variation in setting and tone and keeps the game alive. One of the most fun conversation when hooking up with new D&amp;D gamers is parsing out the different ways different groups handled the same basic ruleset. &quot;Oh, we never bothered with individual initiative or weapon speeds&quot; vs. &quot;Oh, we created our own detailed initiative system to work out the limitations and pitfalls of the existing one&quot;. I have no idea if this is less common in 3E, but in the history of D&amp;D itself it was certainly overwhelmingly the case.So, I guess to make a long story short, I'm saying I don't see the distinction Quasqueton is making.&nbsp; Emulating a &quot;LotR experience, or a medieval Europe experience, or a movie experience&quot; is as much a D&amp;D story as is following the Slaver Series to Giants to the Drow to the Demon-Web Pits.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="el-remmen, post: 3352954, member: 11"] The "D&D Experience" is a gestalt of just about every moderate to long term player's experience playing what they [I]called[/I] or understood to be Dungeons & Dragons. It is near-LARP immersion role-playing with people getting up from the table to speak in character with others, and it is gamist moving a miniature to the most precise tactical square on a battlemat and turning to a fellow player to say, "And now you move your fighter to that square so we can flank and my rogue can use a sneak attack". And it is introducing variant or homebrewed rules to emulate action movies or Middle-Earth or what-have-you. There is no such thing as a "pure" D&D experience. Rather it is a shared experience by many disparate groups and players with great areas of overlap and fringe areas that hardliners would argue are "not" D&D, but never-the-less are. In fact, I would posit that it is in the differences in how we play the game and yet generally all recognize it as D&D that the game has its strength - and the discussion of these differences leads to its fertility of ideas and variation in setting and tone and keeps the game alive. One of the most fun conversation when hooking up with new D&D gamers is parsing out the different ways different groups handled the same basic ruleset. "Oh, we never bothered with individual initiative or weapon speeds" vs. "Oh, we created our own detailed initiative system to work out the limitations and pitfalls of the existing one". I have no idea if this is less common in 3E, but in the history of D&D itself it was certainly overwhelmingly the case. So, I guess to make a long story short, I'm saying I don't see the distinction Quasqueton is making. Emulating a "LotR experience, or a medieval Europe experience, or a movie experience" is as much a D&D story as is following the Slaver Series to Giants to the Drow to the Demon-Web Pits. [/QUOTE]

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