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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8210187" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Er yeah no.</p><p></p><p>This shows a serious misunderstanding of the economics involved, sorry.</p><p></p><p>An AAA CRPG takes $40-100m to develop (Mass Effect 1/2/3/A all were around $40m, Skyrim/FO4 were around $100m, for example - Witcher 3 was $32-40m for the actual development, but made in Poland, if made in the US would have been about double that). And if it sells well, it'll make a number of times that. No TT RPG that isn't D&D makes anywhere near that much, no does it cost anywhere near that much to develop. D&D itself didn't make anything like that sort of money until <em>very recently</em>.</p><p></p><p>The idea that they're creating an even $40m budget CRPG to launch a TT RPG which is unlikely to make $40m over it's entire lifespan, even if it sells for decades, is fundamentally not tenable. It would be the tail wagging the dog.</p><p></p><p>If they weren't making an AAA game, I think what you are saying could be plausible. Spending say, $5m on an "indie"-type game to essentially promote and give a strong aesthetic to a new TT RPG could make sense for a company like WotC. But they've explicitly and repeatedly specified AAA. And you can't make an AAA RPG in the US/Canada/Western Europe (and the studio is in Austin, Texas) for less than $40m in 2021 - you probably can't even make it for that little at all - the last AAA CRPG I heard of having a budget that low released in 2017.</p><p></p><p>There absolutely is evidence that WotC, long-term, want to go digital. The evidence is extremely clear - not only have they explicitly rebranded to include digital (this announcement), but they have <em>two</em> AAA development studios now. To fund those AAA development studios, they're going need tens of millions, and it'll take years before they produce games, where they'll just be a drag to the tune of $10m+ per studio per year. That's a gigantic investment. It may be more than has ever been invested in D&D (almost certainly more than has been invested in any single edition of D&D). D&D is has been so low-priority for Hasbro/WotC that they haven't even been willing to splurge on artists (which is a relatively low investment), where they will for MtG. Maybe that's also changing - I hope so, maybe D&D will get more investment as a TT game too.</p><p></p><p>But the idea that they're spending $40m+ on AAA CRPG which will take multiple years to launch (they're still at the point where they have about 15% as many people as they'll need to actually make the game, and they were formed like a year or more ago, pre-pandemic), just to launch what, a sci-fi alternative to D&D, which will, if TT RPG history is anything to go by, be at most a moderate success in no way comparable to D&D? Completely backwards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8210187, member: 18"] Er yeah no. This shows a serious misunderstanding of the economics involved, sorry. An AAA CRPG takes $40-100m to develop (Mass Effect 1/2/3/A all were around $40m, Skyrim/FO4 were around $100m, for example - Witcher 3 was $32-40m for the actual development, but made in Poland, if made in the US would have been about double that). And if it sells well, it'll make a number of times that. No TT RPG that isn't D&D makes anywhere near that much, no does it cost anywhere near that much to develop. D&D itself didn't make anything like that sort of money until [I]very recently[/I]. The idea that they're creating an even $40m budget CRPG to launch a TT RPG which is unlikely to make $40m over it's entire lifespan, even if it sells for decades, is fundamentally not tenable. It would be the tail wagging the dog. If they weren't making an AAA game, I think what you are saying could be plausible. Spending say, $5m on an "indie"-type game to essentially promote and give a strong aesthetic to a new TT RPG could make sense for a company like WotC. But they've explicitly and repeatedly specified AAA. And you can't make an AAA RPG in the US/Canada/Western Europe (and the studio is in Austin, Texas) for less than $40m in 2021 - you probably can't even make it for that little at all - the last AAA CRPG I heard of having a budget that low released in 2017. There absolutely is evidence that WotC, long-term, want to go digital. The evidence is extremely clear - not only have they explicitly rebranded to include digital (this announcement), but they have [I]two[/I] AAA development studios now. To fund those AAA development studios, they're going need tens of millions, and it'll take years before they produce games, where they'll just be a drag to the tune of $10m+ per studio per year. That's a gigantic investment. It may be more than has ever been invested in D&D (almost certainly more than has been invested in any single edition of D&D). D&D is has been so low-priority for Hasbro/WotC that they haven't even been willing to splurge on artists (which is a relatively low investment), where they will for MtG. Maybe that's also changing - I hope so, maybe D&D will get more investment as a TT game too. But the idea that they're spending $40m+ on AAA CRPG which will take multiple years to launch (they're still at the point where they have about 15% as many people as they'll need to actually make the game, and they were formed like a year or more ago, pre-pandemic), just to launch what, a sci-fi alternative to D&D, which will, if TT RPG history is anything to go by, be at most a moderate success in no way comparable to D&D? Completely backwards. [/QUOTE]
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