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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3856126" data-attributes="member: 2205">Well, I think we're losing track of the point of the conversation here a little bit.&nbsp; Orcus isn't a &quot;real world&quot; demon.&nbsp; He's a minor Roman god associated with Pluto.&nbsp; He was never a demon-lord.&nbsp; Pretty much everything about Orcus in D&amp;D except his name was made up whole cloth by the authors.If that doesn't work for you, how about nearly as iconic characters as, say, Graz'zt?So, are we complaining here about the inclusion of real world religious elements in D&amp;D, or simply the idea of demons and devils in the first place?&nbsp; If it's the latter, it's a little bit harder ot yank that out of D&amp;D.&nbsp; It's been a theme that pretty thoroughly saturated D&amp;D from the beginning, and for that matter, the source material that inspired D&amp;D too.&nbsp; S&amp;S fiction is rife with demonic type entities.In any case, I think Celebrim makes and interesting (if completely unprovable) case that allowing the free publicity to run unchecked may have been a great idea in the short run for sales, but may have had long term implications that we're still struggling with today.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 3856126, member: 2205"] Well, I think we're losing track of the point of the conversation here a little bit. Orcus isn't a "real world" demon. He's a minor Roman god associated with Pluto. He was never a demon-lord. Pretty much everything about Orcus in D&D except his name was made up whole cloth by the authors. If that doesn't work for you, how about nearly as iconic characters as, say, Graz'zt? So, are we complaining here about the inclusion of real world religious elements in D&D, or simply the idea of demons and devils in the first place? If it's the latter, it's a little bit harder ot yank that out of D&D. It's been a theme that pretty thoroughly saturated D&D from the beginning, and for that matter, the source material that inspired D&D too. S&S fiction is rife with demonic type entities. In any case, I think Celebrim makes and interesting (if completely unprovable) case that allowing the free publicity to run unchecked may have been a great idea in the short run for sales, but may have had long term implications that we're still struggling with today. [/QUOTE]

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