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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9442210" data-attributes="member: 725">I don't see it as grievances, that's Dan Dillon territory... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> But when some of us see the unbased positivity of fanboyism rearing it's ugly head, that Lemmings (Oh no! Splat!) behavior isn't healthy and many just point out the mess WotC made the past 20 years. It's of course not all a mess, but it's a LOT of mess. There's a pattern in there with some very welcome exceptions. Expecting the exception to the rule with the next release/product is imho just misleading everyone. And don't get me wrong, it's not to convince the Lemmings that they are 'wrong', it's warning the rest of the folks that they should not get their hopes up and that the worst that could happen is that could happen is that they are pleasantly surprised when we're 'wrong'.The issue many have is that they can't diverge the product from the people making it. I've been a fan of many of the 2e and 3e products, and I've collected the whole three editions (2e/3e/4e). I like some of the products, that doesn't my like/dislike of the people that made them and/or the company that made them. I don't really care about the people that made it, I don't know them. That changes when you have a conversation with them and then I can either like them, just accept them, or not. The faceless corporate entity of WotC/Hasbro I don't really care about, ever. I disliked WotC's practices with the introduction of MTG (Ante), I still loved the D&D 3e introduction and occasionally play Magic: Arena. But after 25 years of the WotC/Hasbro combo, I'm pretty certain what I expect from them is generally not positive, and when it is I'm presently surprised.And some of us (me included) need to realize, is that we're getting old, and that maybe most of the products WotC is making aren't targeted (solely) at us. But that's also the issue I have with many WotC products they are trying to please everyone, and due to that not pleasing many. shrugs We could just live and let live, collect the positive folks in one thread and the negative ones in another, but that's imho not healthy. 'Healthy' discussion is positive, you might be tired of the negativety, we have our reasons, you have a different view, you have your reasons. Locking yourself up in your own bubble isn't healthy. The 'discussions' here give me insights into someone else's perspective, in many cases that doesn't change mine, but occasionally it does.</blockquote>

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