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<blockquote data-quote="MuhVerisimilitude" data-source="post: 9353926" data-attributes="member: 7042567">Yes. 4E understood that it's difficult to mix free abilities with costly abilities since it's easy to get caught up in the idea that a free ability must be worse than a costly ability.Yes? I think, since wizards are already allowed to be better than pretty much all other classes at whatever they are designed to be good at, I think it's fair that we say that eh perhaps the wizard should actually be forced to suck at skills? (except knowledge skills: wizards should be the gods of magic and monster lore)I dunno. The sword swinging thing has already been covered by the Battle Master. Lock picking is a bit more unusual, but note that I'm not proposing this as an actual &quot;fix&quot; to the system. My whole OP could also be interpreted like this:Perhaps it's bad that we allow class X to trump class Y by using spells and perhaps we should ignore the &quot;cost&quot; component when balancing the classes. Don't let a caster with a spell do what a martial can, even if the spell is more expensive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MuhVerisimilitude, post: 9353926, member: 7042567"] Yes. 4E understood that it's difficult to mix free abilities with costly abilities since it's easy to get caught up in the idea that a free ability must be worse than a costly ability. Yes? I think, since wizards are already allowed to be better than pretty much all other classes at whatever they are designed to be good at, I think it's fair that we say that eh perhaps the wizard should actually be forced to suck at skills? (except knowledge skills: wizards should be the gods of magic and monster lore) I dunno. The sword swinging thing has already been covered by the Battle Master. Lock picking is a bit more unusual, but note that I'm not proposing this as an actual "fix" to the system. My whole OP could also be interpreted like this: [I]Perhaps it's bad that we allow class X to trump class Y by using spells and perhaps we should ignore the "cost" component when balancing the classes. Don't let a caster with a spell do what a martial can, even if the spell is more expensive.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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