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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenes 2" data-source="post: 917099" data-attributes="member: 6166">I never said no magic, I said low magic, and especially low magic items. In this example the party generally gets a lot of one-use magic to kill orcus - they don't get a wagon load of magic items and weapons to keep. The next adventure will not have them being able to kill greater demons with ease, but could be a purely mundane challenge, with a couple of (well-trained) opponents able to threaten the heroes without a wagon load of buffs and items.,PCs don't need wish spells, meteor swarms, half a dozen +6 stat items, +5 holy vorpal avengers, full plate of fortification and regeneration +5 and shield of reflection and SR 40 to kill Orcus in my campaign, and PCs generally don't walk around with mnore magic items on them and spells at their disposal every day than major countries have available.I consider that low-magic.</blockquote>