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<blockquote data-quote="Voneth" data-source="post: 923658" data-attributes="member: 1016">Re: ReNot trying to get OT, but for me this has been my &quot;role-playing&quot; complaint for DnD's magic system overall. The most &quot;metaphysical&quot; discussions one hears in DnD is the all of the planar stuff, mostly because over the years, that aspect of DnD magic has been built up into a mythology. Otherwise, a magic spell just &quot;works&quot; under the guidelines given.... On the other hand, I want to try running some stuff from Bad Axe Games, their elf book introduce the maniuplation of spell levels through &quot;ley lines&quot; and &quot;nexus points.&quot; With that in mind, now DnD magic seems much more fun &quot;role-playing&quot; wise. The concept introduces the &quot;metaphysics&quot; of Feng Shui and geomancy that players can get into and use to add wonder and some &quot;authority&quot; to their theories ... which in turn might end up being good ideas for new magics in the game.One of the reasons I like DnD psionic (though I am not a fan of the system as is right now) is that your PP can be stored, transfered and maintanted to do different effects. If borrow some other ideas from d20 3rd party publishing, then you can even adapt the &quot;ley lines&quot; idea.And as far as magic items go, I love the &quot;leveling items&quot; ideas introduced in several sources. (and don't forget the old &quot;attunement&quot; rules in Earthdawn). Weapons can have histories before PC and then add to legend of the PC as well.In essence, I think people want awe and metaphysics in their game. But at the heart of it, DnD was built to deliver the end effects. Trust me, I have seen both high AND low level GMs followed&nbsp; the rules perfectly - as is - but without any polish or penache. Dude, the game is pretty dry, like bad Thanksgiving turkey. The only real challenge that I can see in running a high-level game for a good GM is the additional details he needs to keep in mind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voneth, post: 923658, member: 1016"] [b]Re: Re[/b] Not trying to get OT, but for me this has been my "role-playing" complaint for DnD's magic system overall. The most "metaphysical" discussions one hears in DnD is the all of the planar stuff, mostly because over the years, that aspect of DnD magic has been built up into a mythology. Otherwise, a magic spell just "works" under the guidelines given. ... On the other hand, I want to try running some stuff from Bad Axe Games, their elf book introduce the maniuplation of spell levels through "ley lines" and "nexus points." With that in mind, now DnD magic seems much more fun "role-playing" wise. The concept introduces the "metaphysics" of Feng Shui and geomancy that players can get into and use to add wonder and some "authority" to their theories ... which in turn might end up being good ideas for new magics in the game. One of the reasons I like DnD psionic (though I am not a fan of the system as is right now) is that your PP can be stored, transfered and maintanted to do different effects. If borrow some other ideas from d20 3rd party publishing, then you can even adapt the "ley lines" idea. And as far as magic items go, I love the "leveling items" ideas introduced in several sources. (and don't forget the old "attunement" rules in Earthdawn). Weapons can have histories before PC and then add to legend of the PC as well. In essence, I think people want awe and metaphysics in their game. But at the heart of it, DnD was built to deliver the end effects. Trust me, I have seen both high AND low level GMs followed the rules perfectly - as is - but without any polish or penache. Dude, the game is pretty dry, like bad Thanksgiving turkey. The only real challenge that I can see in running a high-level game for a good GM is the additional details he needs to keep in mind. [/QUOTE]

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