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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 5343663" data-attributes="member: 158">I get the impression that it's because of, not in spite of, a lot of posters' knowledge and experience with 4E that would cause them to be disappointed with what the new Red Box contains. I can't prove it, but that that's the impression I get.Would someone REALLY be disappointed in the rules of a game they played 25 years ago not being exactly the same, especially when they still get to play meat shields, or wield big weapons and smash things, or sling spells and fry enemies like they used to? In fact, more often than they used to, given the wizards' and clerics small spell load in the olden days?It's not like they're going to say, "what's this 'healing surge' crap? I used to have to stay camped in town for two weeks to heal! I'm outta here!" Chances are they're not going to be overly concerned with play style, nuances of game mechanics, or engaging in debates on verisimilitude after being away from the game for 25 years. Give 'em a couple months of play before they start doing that, first. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I guarantee two things:1) A heck of a lot of us old timers used some form of spatial representation when they played D&D - enough to say that it wasn't just some minor splinter-thing. Given RPGs' wargaming roots, I'd say it was a plurality if not a majority playing with minis and square or hex-grids.2)You can get an old-school dungeon crawling hack and slashing sensibility playing the red box stuff just like you could back in the original red box. The people who lapsed back then aren't itching to pick up the Red Box so they can do in-depth character exploration or roleplay; they're picking it up to roll dice and kill goblins. Some may be disappointed that you don't take two weeks to heal up 1 hit point per day, or that their wizard is only casting two spells a day, sure -- but I think the majority is going to care more about whacking hobgoblins with a two-handed sword while their magic-user, excuse me, wizard pops someone with a magic missile and the thief gets a backstab in.</blockquote>

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