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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 5344788" data-attributes="member: 2525">This is not entirely accurate.  I'll walk through it again.  The original basic set came out in 1977 (Holmes).  It had a blue cover (see below).  From the Wikipedia page:It looked like this:<img src="http://www.theherofactory.com/basicbook.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />It was not until 1981, when Tom Moldvay revised the Basic set, that it was even conceived of as entirely its own game, instead of as a bridge to AD&D.  There was no Expert set, and there was nothing else to expand into other than AD&D (which of course repeated those three levels entirely).I see no material difference between this new Red Box and the original Basic set.  Both are bridges to another, fuller game, which replaced or repeated all those rules.  You call it an ad for the other game, but I don't.  I call it a full game that only went to a lower number of experience levels than other games.Second, the new red box contains 6 polyhedral dice, a double-sided map, 2 sheets of die-cut tokens, cardstock character sheets, power cards, and lot of cool pictures, and some interesting story content.  None of that is superseded by a follow-on book.  It's only $20 from Amazon, which isn't such a bad price for those game accessories.  It only sits on your shelf collecting dust if you never use those accessories, but I don't think it's fair to assume nobody will use them again.Third, it's a complete game.  You can play it over and over, through first level, using just that box.  Much like you can play Settlers of Catan over and over again, using just that game box, without all the expansions or replacement games that followed in that line of games.</blockquote>

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