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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5349629" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Halo.</p><p></p><p>Starcraft.</p><p></p><p>Warcraft.</p><p></p><p>The various Ultima games.</p><p></p><p>Final Fantasy - compare FF1 to the current FF game - 12?</p><p></p><p>I'm not even much of a video gamer and even I know that games change pretty significantly between versions.</p><p></p><p>But, your point about Pong brings it right back. Why don't we get Pong games? When is the last time you saw Pong anywhere?</p><p></p><p>Is it because Pong is a bad game? No, of course not. It was a great game. Lots of fun. Space Invaders was huge at the time. But, we don't see it anymore.</p><p></p><p>So, despite the fact that people probably still like Pong or Space Invaders, the games died. They died because people didn't like them enough to keep them alive. Or, to put it another way, they liked other things more. Either way the end result is the same.</p><p></p><p>The games didn't hold people's interests enough for people to keep playing them. Not because they were bad or people hated them or anything like that. But just because, after so long, there are just other choices out there that are more appealing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I'm basing this on the fact that TSR went <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> up. If TSR had managed to retain their player base at 1982 levels, we'd still be playing 1e. After 1982 until 3e came along, D&D did nothing but bleed away players. Every year the number of gamers dropped, at least, that appears to be the conventional wisdom, until 3e managed to turn the bus around.</p><p></p><p>If the older games retained their players, why was the player base dropping every year?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5349629, member: 22779"] Halo. Starcraft. Warcraft. The various Ultima games. Final Fantasy - compare FF1 to the current FF game - 12? I'm not even much of a video gamer and even I know that games change pretty significantly between versions. But, your point about Pong brings it right back. Why don't we get Pong games? When is the last time you saw Pong anywhere? Is it because Pong is a bad game? No, of course not. It was a great game. Lots of fun. Space Invaders was huge at the time. But, we don't see it anymore. So, despite the fact that people probably still like Pong or Space Invaders, the games died. They died because people didn't like them enough to keep them alive. Or, to put it another way, they liked other things more. Either way the end result is the same. The games didn't hold people's interests enough for people to keep playing them. Not because they were bad or people hated them or anything like that. But just because, after so long, there are just other choices out there that are more appealing. Well, I'm basing this on the fact that TSR went :):):):) up. If TSR had managed to retain their player base at 1982 levels, we'd still be playing 1e. After 1982 until 3e came along, D&D did nothing but bleed away players. Every year the number of gamers dropped, at least, that appears to be the conventional wisdom, until 3e managed to turn the bus around. If the older games retained their players, why was the player base dropping every year? [/QUOTE]
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