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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 5350309" data-attributes="member: 3400">How many of these really count as killing sacred cows? Did putting PCs and monsters into a very similar structure really kill a sacred cow? Really?Of your list, I'd probably only consider a few to be anything close to sacred cows:THAC05 saves to 3Different XP tables to unified tableDamage vs largeRolling % for certain skills vs d20Max HP for first level, for example, was a very common house rule already. All PCs already had expanded skills with the non-weapon proficiency system and add-on house rules for determining if anybody could climb a wall or move in a stealthy manner. Clerics already had some 9th level spells - they were just listed as 7th level spells on the cleric table while they were 9th level on the wizard table. Base attack bonus is part of the same change with THAC0 so you've listed it twice.3e preserved far more sacred cows than it slaughtered. I'm just not seeing "all sorts of sacred cows" ending up as hamburger. I'm seeing a select few. Some of them may have had wide reaching implications, sure. But the amount of sacred hamburger, not so much.</blockquote>