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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8614000" data-attributes="member: 22779">The descriptions don't count if the descriptions are entirely made up and any description can be equally true.That's a whole 'nother kettle of fish that I'm not interested in.  Arguments about whether something is fun or not aren't really all that useful.There won't be any hard and fast definition.  These are genre definitions.  At best you can define them by the centers or by what they aren't.  You certainly can't draw a line and say, Yup, anything on this side of the line is a sim and anything on that one isn't.  And, since they are all games, they are obviously going to have elements in them that allow them to be played as games.</blockquote>