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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8616374" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Then let me rephrase. No one I have ever played with had much of an issue.&nbsp; That's ... hundreds of people over the years.&nbsp; Occasionally it comes up, people shrug or mention something about &quot;action movie logic&quot; and we move on.&nbsp; There have been other threads on this forum that confirm the attitude with surveys.You may not think &quot;its got more to people being overly attached to tradition than any real grounding in argument.&quot; is insulting.&nbsp; I do.&nbsp; It comes off as &quot;I'm the enlightened one here, not you unwashed masses who should listen to my words of wisdom.&quot;&nbsp; On the other hand I'm not particularly offended because you're just some rando internet guy.&nbsp;What is D&amp;D trying to simulate?&nbsp; Certainly not the real world, that's far too messy.&nbsp; D&amp;D does a decent job of simulating action movie logic where the protagonist gets beat to a bloody pulp but other than occasionally getting a second wind and maybe, just maybe looking a bit tired at a long drawn out slug-fest or muttering &quot;I'm getting too old for this&quot;, is doing just fine.&nbsp; The bad guy's minions on the other hand die instantly with a single bullet.&nbsp; Our guy?&nbsp; Slap a band-aid on it, wince every once in a while to remind the audience you're hurt and continue mowing down the bad guys firing at you with assault rifles with your 9mm pistol.&nbsp; Or your fists, because instead of just killing you from 50 feet away they always run up and try to club the protagonists with the but of their rifle for some reason.&nbsp; With very few exceptions and some theatrical groans no one is actually hurt, they're doing fine until they're dead.The PCs are Rambo, one of the normal people on CW's superhero shows, MCU's Hawkeye or Black Widow.&nbsp; Not real world soldiers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8616374, member: 6801845"] Then let me rephrase. No one I have ever played with had much of an issue. That's ... hundreds of people over the years. Occasionally it comes up, people shrug or mention something about "action movie logic" and we move on. There have been other threads on this forum that confirm the attitude with surveys. You may not think "its got more to people being overly attached to tradition than any real grounding in argument." is insulting. I do. It comes off as "I'm the enlightened one here, not you unwashed masses who should listen to my words of wisdom." On the other hand I'm not particularly offended because you're just some rando internet guy. What is D&D trying to simulate? Certainly not the real world, that's far too messy. D&D does a decent job of simulating action movie logic where the protagonist gets beat to a bloody pulp but other than occasionally getting a second wind and maybe, just maybe looking a bit tired at a long drawn out slug-fest or muttering "I'm getting too old for this", is doing just fine. The bad guy's minions on the other hand die instantly with a single bullet. Our guy? Slap a band-aid on it, wince every once in a while to remind the audience you're hurt and continue mowing down the bad guys firing at you with assault rifles with your 9mm pistol. Or your fists, because instead of just killing you from 50 feet away they always run up and try to club the protagonists with the but of their rifle for some reason. With very few exceptions and some theatrical groans no one is actually hurt, they're doing fine until they're dead. The PCs are Rambo, one of the normal people on CW's superhero shows, MCU's Hawkeye or Black Widow. Not real world soldiers. [/QUOTE]

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