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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8617652" data-attributes="member: 22779">Ok, here's a possible example of how you can generate some information, without needing a highly complex system.Take the old Villains and Vigillantes game.&nbsp; Old, 80's game of superheroes.&nbsp; Pretty rules light - it was one of those box games like Basic D&amp;D where you got an entire game in a 120 (ish) page booklet.&nbsp; Now, in V&amp;V, when you calculated your character's HP, you took your weight and divided by 50.&nbsp; That gave you your Body Points.&nbsp; Body Points is where any actual physical damage resided.&nbsp; If you took BP damage, you were going to spend time in the hospital.&nbsp; You then took your Body Points and multiplied it by your Stamina score (typically a 3-18 range, very D&amp;D in that respect) and got your Vitality score.&nbsp; Any successful attacks always had to go to your Vitality first.&nbsp; And, since this was a Supers game, it didn't really do the whole leveling to gain HP thing.&nbsp; You could increase stats and potentially gain more Vitality, but, it wasn't easy.But, think for a second what information we gain from that system.1.&nbsp; Bigger=harder to kill.&nbsp; The bigger you are, the more HP you have.&nbsp; Something that isn't present in D&amp;D.&nbsp; After all, my 2 foot tall, 30 pound gnome can easily have more HP than a 600 pound 9 foot Ogre.&nbsp; But, in the V&amp;V system, you know that HP are actually linked to size.&nbsp; There's no way for a human to have more HP than an elephant.&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; You cannot narrate the effects in such a way as to actually cause real physical damage until you get into Body Points.&nbsp; So, when Spider Man gets mobbed by a bunch of thugs, pummeled and kicked until he throws them all off, you know that he isn't actually hurt - perfectly fitting with Superhero as a genre.&nbsp; But, again, the mechanics not only give hints about what narration can be made - a punch from someone is a punch, but, also, what narration can't be made - someone attacking you with a knife isn't actually cutting you until you get into Body Points.Now, this is a very simple system and has all sorts of flaws and whatnot.&nbsp; I'm certainly not making any claims about it being better.&nbsp; It's easily abused (the whole weight/50 thing is subject to a lot of abuse) and can quite often lead to nonsensical results.&nbsp; As a system, it's not great.But it IS a more sim system than what you get in D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8617652, member: 22779"] Ok, here's a possible example of how you can generate some information, without needing a highly complex system. Take the old Villains and Vigillantes game. Old, 80's game of superheroes. Pretty rules light - it was one of those box games like Basic D&D where you got an entire game in a 120 (ish) page booklet. Now, in V&V, when you calculated your character's HP, you took your weight and divided by 50. That gave you your Body Points. Body Points is where any actual physical damage resided. If you took BP damage, you were going to spend time in the hospital. You then took your Body Points and multiplied it by your Stamina score (typically a 3-18 range, very D&D in that respect) and got your Vitality score. Any successful attacks always had to go to your Vitality first. And, since this was a Supers game, it didn't really do the whole leveling to gain HP thing. You could increase stats and potentially gain more Vitality, but, it wasn't easy. But, think for a second what information we gain from that system. 1. Bigger=harder to kill. The bigger you are, the more HP you have. Something that isn't present in D&D. After all, my 2 foot tall, 30 pound gnome can easily have more HP than a 600 pound 9 foot Ogre. But, in the V&V system, you know that HP are actually linked to size. There's no way for a human to have more HP than an elephant. 2. You cannot narrate the effects in such a way as to actually cause real physical damage until you get into Body Points. So, when Spider Man gets mobbed by a bunch of thugs, pummeled and kicked until he throws them all off, you know that he isn't actually hurt - perfectly fitting with Superhero as a genre. But, again, the mechanics not only give hints about what narration can be made - a punch from someone is a punch, but, also, what narration can't be made - someone attacking you with a knife isn't actually cutting you until you get into Body Points. Now, this is a very simple system and has all sorts of flaws and whatnot. I'm certainly not making any claims about it being better. It's easily abused (the whole weight/50 thing is subject to a lot of abuse) and can quite often lead to nonsensical results. As a system, it's not great. But it IS a more sim system than what you get in D&D. [/QUOTE]

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