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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8621177" data-attributes="member: 7026617">But liking the source still doesn't make it simulationist in any fashion.  As I said, if that was the reasoning you'd see more signs of Dying Earth style elements in OD&D and they just, well, aren't really to be seen.I'm afraid I'm still not seeing how this counters my statement.  Yes, D&D's influences are a kitchen sink.  So that says any number of magic systems would have been similarly appropriate.  You could claim it was a special nod to Vance (which would imply a dramatist conceit) but he's already been quoted about why he chose the one he did--and his reasoning is explicitly gamist.</blockquote>