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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8621196" data-attributes="member: 42582">Upthread (posts 670 and 671) you said that a simulationist design is one whose models and rules preponderantly take inputs and produce results including fiction, corelated with pre-existing references; so that we know when we say what follows that our fiction accords with the reference, and the imagined inhabitants of the world can know its rules.I'm commenting on the final clause.The imagined inhabitants of the World of GH can know the rules of that world. This is a feature of the fiction. It does not change whether I am running my GH game using AD&amp;D, Rolemaster, Burning Wheel, or Torchbearer (I have used all those systems, plus an AD&amp;D derivative of my own design).The imagined inhabitants of the World of GH cannot know the rules of AD&amp;D, or RM, or BW, or Torchbearer, or my AD&amp;D-derived system.Here is another post that seems relevant:Point 4 seems to posit that a simulationist RPG is one in which the 4th wall is routinely broken. I don't think that's right.The inhabitants of the WoGH don't talk about offensive and defensive bonuses, for instance, nor about concussion hits and penalties to actions, whether or not I am using Rolemaster as the RPG to resolve the actions of those inhabitants.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8621196, member: 42582"] Upthread (posts 670 and 671) you said that a [i]simulationist design is one whose models and rules preponderantly take inputs and produce results including fiction, corelated with pre-existing references; so that we know when we say what follows that our fiction accords with the reference, and the imagined inhabitants of the world can know its rules[/i]. I'm commenting on the final clause. The imagined inhabitants of the World of GH can know the rules of that world. This is a feature of the fiction. It does not change whether I am running my GH game using AD&D, Rolemaster, Burning Wheel, or Torchbearer (I have used all those systems, plus an AD&D derivative of my own design). The imagined inhabitants of the World of GH cannot know the rules of AD&D, or RM, or BW, or Torchbearer, or my AD&D-derived system. Here is another post that seems relevant: Point 4 seems to posit that a simulationist RPG is one in which the 4th wall is routinely broken. I don't think that's right. The inhabitants of the WoGH don't talk about offensive and defensive bonuses, for instance, nor about concussion hits and penalties to actions, whether or not I am using Rolemaster as the RPG to resolve the actions of those inhabitants. [/QUOTE]

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