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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8622126" data-attributes="member: 42582">That's sufficient to prove my point, I think. Because RM players, applying the rules of RM, think in terms of modifiers all the time.So an imagined character who is not thinking in terms of modifiers has not inferred the rules of RM. Which as it should be.More generally, it seems to me a total non-sequitur to infer from the fact that system X models world W, that inhabitants within W would, by research, infer X. All we can be confident of is that they would infer P, where P is the process (or set/system of processes) that occur in W, and that X models in some or other fashion.It seems a sufficient proof of the previous paragraph that we might use a dice-based RPG in a simulationist way to play a game set in a world where dice have not been invented.EDIT:An even clearer proof is this:No one can understand the rules of Rolemaster without at least grasping the notion of double-digit addition. But an inhabitant of the WoG might be innumerate and yet grasp most of what is true about the world that the RM rules set out to model - how fighting works, how running and jumping work, how talking to people works, how picking locks works, etc.It's true that RM also has rules for knowledge skills, but that's one of the weaker parts of the system, and so the innumerate inhabitant who fails to work out anything about how maths and mathematical knowledge works in GH does not have a very big gap in their knowledge of the processes and phenomena that RM is concerned to model.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8622126, member: 42582"] That's sufficient to prove my point, I think. Because RM players, applying the rules of RM, think in terms of modifiers all the time. So an imagined character who is not thinking in terms of modifiers has not inferred the rules of RM. Which as it should be. More generally, it seems to me a total non-sequitur to infer from the fact that system X models world W, that inhabitants within W would, by research, infer X. All we can be confident of is that they would infer P, where P is the process (or set/system of processes) that occur in W, and that X models in some or other fashion. It seems a sufficient proof of the previous paragraph that we might use a dice-based RPG in a simulationist way to play a game set in a world where dice have not been invented. EDIT: An even clearer proof is this: No one can understand the rules of Rolemaster without at least grasping the notion of double-digit addition. But an inhabitant of the WoG might be [i]innumerate[/i] and yet grasp most of what is true about the world that the RM rules set out to model - how fighting works, how running and jumping work, how talking to people works, how picking locks works, etc. It's true that RM also has rules for knowledge skills, but that's one of the weaker parts of the system, and so the innumerate inhabitant who fails to work out anything about how maths and mathematical knowledge works in GH does not have a very big gap in their knowledge of the processes and phenomena that RM is concerned to model. [/QUOTE]

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