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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8623295" data-attributes="member: 42582">I get what you're saying, and I don't think I've disagreed with any of it.Eg when a player in RM uses an Adrenal Move, that is a thing their character is doing - people in the fiction can see the character performing their martial arts-type move. Whereas when a player in Marvel Heroic RP uses a plot point to step up the effect of an attack, this is not something that the people in the fiction can see - the attack already happened!, and was what it was, and the spending of the point is purely a metagame manipulation to establish a preferred mechanical outcome and resulting preferred fiction.The focus here is on causal processes - events actually occurring, in time sequence - in the fiction. But it doesn't require any claims about laws, or about whether or not the simulationist mechanic models every in-fiction possibility.I'm not saying must, only can. It contrasts with RQ, where there is no comparable possibility of the player injecting their metagame priority into resolution.This is why I prefer RM to RQ, and why I regard RQ as the more &quot;pure&quot; simulationist RPG.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8623295, member: 42582"] I get what you're saying, and I don't think I've disagreed with any of it. Eg when a player in RM uses an Adrenal Move, that is a thing their character is doing - people in the fiction can see the character performing their martial arts-type move. Whereas when a player in Marvel Heroic RP uses a plot point to step up the effect of an attack, this is not something that the people in the fiction can see - the attack already happened!, and was what it was, and the spending of the point is purely a metagame manipulation to establish a preferred mechanical outcome and resulting preferred fiction. The focus here is on causal processes - events actually occurring, in time sequence - in the fiction. But it doesn't require any claims about laws, or about whether or not the simulationist mechanic models every in-fiction possibility. I'm not saying [i]must[/i], only [i]can[/i]. It contrasts with RQ, where there is no comparable possibility of the player injecting their metagame priority into resolution. This is why I prefer RM to RQ, [i]and[/i] why I regard RQ as the more "pure" simulationist RPG. [/QUOTE]

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